All Members of the Trinity Are Joint Partakers of the Same Essence

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00:0000:00 - all right guys so this week we are going to be going over uh this topic here about how all members of the Trinity are
00:0900:09 - joint partakers of the same Essence so all three members of the Trinity share the same Essence the same being and that
00:1700:17 - makes them United in a way that means basically that they aren’t three separate Gods they’re not three separate
00:2400:24 - beings and so these are the points we’re going to be going through here in the summary um just as a reminder we been
00:3000:30 - going through uh some points basically establishing things that the Trinity is not and that is throwing into sharper
00:3800:38 - relief what the Trinity actually is so we’ve kind of been uh knocking down some of these heresies that have cropped up
00:4400:44 - in the past examining uh all this scripture that supports the points that we’ve been making uh to kind of throw
00:5100:51 - into sharper relief what the Trinity actually is and so this particular point we are noting that God is three in
00:5900:59 - person um we’ve established that that was a a past week we did uh that the three members of the Trinity are
01:0501:05 - actually um separate personal or the three three separate persons um but that does not mean that the Trinity is
01:1101:11 - actually composed of three or more different gods three separate beings and so that’s because they share the same
01:1801:18 - Essence and that’s what we’re going over this week so we’re going to be looking at how the father is revealed to be God
01:2301:23 - the Son and the father are revealed to be uniquely God and then all three are revealed to be uniquely God um and so
01:3001:30 - this will overlap a good bit with the lesson in the study that we did where we established that all three members of
01:3801:38 - the Trinity are God because well all three are God and God is one so it’s kind of the same thing but nonetheless
01:4601:46 - we’re going to hit this to establish the point that just because God is three in person does not mean that we have three
01:5301:53 - separate Gods so this is the overview point that we’re going to be making here that God
02:0202:02 - is three in person but that does not mean that the Trinity is composed of three or more different gods and so
02:1002:10 - again as we’ve gone over the traditional definition of the Trinity is that God is three in person but one in essence or
02:1602:16 - one in essence but three in person and so that means that all three members of the Trinity so the father and the son
02:2302:23 - and the spirit are the sole joint partakers of the same Essence and that’s a big
02:3002:30 - uh technical perhaps but what that means is that they are all they all share the same being the same Essence rather than
02:3702:37 - being three similar beings of similar Essence and uh we talked a little bit in our last lesson about how these
02:4502:45 - attributes these characteristics that are part of God’s nature so God’s infinite nature and God’s perfect
02:5202:52 - character uh those are things coming from uh the the essence of God that we went over
03:0003:00 - in the earliest lessons in this study of theology proper and we’ve argued that um all three members of the Trinity have
03:0703:07 - equal share in those uh last time we were talking about how there’s not any inferiority or disparity in status um
03:1303:13 - activity or function um uh because all three members of the Trinity share this Essence and those are characteristics um
03:2203:22 - of the essence of God and because all three members of the Trinity share that Essence all three members of the Trinity
03:2803:28 - are characterized by these things um and so that’s what we mean by them having the same Essence rather than having
03:3403:34 - three similar beings of similar Essence um and so among other things uh some of these attributes like infinity and
03:4203:42 - omniscience and things like this um something that makes our conception of God very unique among world religions is
03:5003:50 - that there really only can be one God um from a logical sense the uncaused cause if you will how can you have more than
03:5803:58 - one uncaused cause um so we don’t want to get super philosophical about it but this idea that uh God is this unique
04:0704:07 - being um you know we emphasized his sovereignty and his uniqueness um in our past studies of his Essence all of this
04:1304:13 - is rolled up into the idea that God there can only be one um being of this of this sort however there’s three
04:2104:21 - persons but they all share the same Essence and so maybe it just sounds like we’re asserting things here we’ll get to
04:2704:27 - some scripture in some of the slides here but um throughout history uh many sects or
04:3404:34 - uh groups of people you know maybe who even profess Christianity have elevated other things so either human beings
04:4204:42 - Saints or angels to somehow maybe they don’t even call it Divinity like they would not put them on equal footing with
04:4904:49 - God but they they put them on higher footing than normal human beings and this is not okay it’s not good because
04:5704:57 - we know that only God is good that human beings You know despite uh May the fact that maybe some human beings make good
05:0505:05 - choices and are exceptional Believers they’re still just human beings right um and so uh we want to flee far away from
05:1405:14 - anything that smacks of pantheons of maybe demigods or elevating Angels worshiping Angels worshiping other human
05:2305:23 - beings I mean how about worshiping Mary uh you know like as certain Cults have done throughout history
05:3005:30 - uh none of that is okay because there’s only one God and he’s the only one whom we should worship um so in saying this
05:3905:39 - where we are going with this particular point this week is that even though the Bible teaches that the Trinity has three
05:4605:46 - persons we are not saying that there are three gods that there’s multiple gods and there’s no room for there to be
05:5305:53 - anyone other than the three members of the Trinity um kind of as part of this as part of the being who we worship so
06:0306:03 - that’s my bit of a rambly introduction here a do you have any other initial points you want to make on what we’re
06:0806:08 - talking about this week okay just to jump off of what you’re saying and U I think it is it is worth um getting a
06:1906:19 - tad bit philosophical about this because the Bible is very very emphatic about the fact that God is one um when it says
06:2906:29 - that it seems like an assertion and this is of course for us as Believers we take what the Bible says as true so if it’s
06:3806:38 - Asser things that’s fine but other people would say well how do we know that there is one God and this is where
06:4806:48 - the philosophical reasoning might come into play and the sense the the reason that that might matter is this God is a
06:5606:56 - very unique um entity very unique the very state of the
07:0407:04 - universe right now the state of creation right now is because someone decided that one person
07:1207:12 - or there couldn’t be just one God that he too could be God that is why there can’t be one God because there can’t be
07:1907:19 - more than one God if there is more than one God what results from that is a clash of wills and when you have two
07:2807:28 - entities that are Omni poent omnipresent Omni everything they have all the qualities of God but they have
07:3807:38 - differing Wills differing desires differing if you will visions of what existence should be what’s going to
07:4807:48 - result from that is chaos catastrophe it would be an eternal state of chaos and catastrophe
07:5707:57 - that’s what would happen as it is we have just one creature who happens to be the most powerful creature that God
08:0508:05 - created and we are in the mess that we are in what if it was actually just another
08:1108:11 - entity that was actually God that’s that’s why it makes sense that no matter what we we might think or let’s put it
08:2008:20 - this way no matter what other people might think about the fact that there is a trinity and therefore this must mean
08:2608:26 - that there are three Gods we know that these three persons must be fundamentally United it makes sense for
08:3608:36 - the Bible to assert that they’re fundamentally United in essence so that they can’t actually be
08:4308:43 - opposed in any way to each other that’s the the uniqueness and the Oneness of their godhood there are three persons in
08:5208:52 - the sense that you can see their individuality the fact that the son is not the the father for example and the
08:5908:59 - the spirit is not the sun you can see these things demonstrated in the Bible but there is no um no difference
09:0909:09 - whatsoever in their if you will aspirations not they don’t have aspirations or desires or will or what
09:1509:15 - whatever they might be wanting to accomplish they perfectly United in these things that’s that’s where the
09:2209:22 - their Oneness in essence has to be understood now I will say that through throughout history many of the heresies
09:3109:31 - relating to this and even in other religions that have pantheons there is not equality among the people in the
09:3809:38 - pantheon so um to use a classic example just take Greek mythology in the Greek pantheon Zeus was seen as being the head
09:4709:47 - of the pantheon right and you might have other people like Poseidon or Hades and Hera and Aphrodite and Athena and so on
09:5509:55 - um the the gods and goddesses that were part of this but they did to have um what we would call equal Authority equal
10:0310:03 - nature um and specific to us I pulled up this chart here was from the earlier lesson in our study talking about the
10:1010:10 - essence of God where even if someone wanted to assert um that the members of the Trinity were actually separate
10:1910:19 - beings so they didn’t share an Essence they would have to be asserting because we’ve established already from points
10:2510:25 - we’ve already gone through in this series that the members of the Trinity exhibit these characteristics right um I
10:3210:32 - mean we could go look at the specific verses you know where we went for each one but if the members of the Trinity
10:3810:38 - exhibit these characteristics and this is what Dr luganville meant when he said three beings of similar Essence um right
10:4610:46 - so they share the same Essence that’s the correct teaching but the only other teaching that even has the patina of
10:5310:53 - possibility to it is if all three beings shared fundamentally similar Essence um so even if they were separate they would
11:0311:03 - still share many of these same attributes now ai’s kind of gotten to the heart of the problem with this is
11:0811:08 - that um even even among uh separate beings who have um you know separate Wills if you will there there will
11:1711:17 - always be tension there will always be disagreement and conflict um and the uniqueness of God is that we have
11:2511:25 - separate persons who share the same being the same will not that they aren’t separate persons but that there is a
11:3311:33 - Unity that completely exceeds and transcends human understanding in a way that isn’t possible if they weren’t
11:4011:40 - United in one Essence um so uh just trying to point out here that even when we talk about uh heresies in this regard
11:5011:50 - uh you can basically just categorically ignore anything that doesn’t at least start with the assumption that they’re
11:5611:56 - three beings of fundamentally similar essence you know in the manner we’ve talked about here um
12:0312:03 - because you know that you have to start there um and but some of what we’re going to be talking about this week is
12:1012:10 - basically just how the Bible in how it talks about these things simply asserts that the three members of the Trinity
12:1712:17 - are God um not that this one’s a God and that one’s a God and that one’s a God but they are all God um and for that
12:2412:24 - reason that’s why we are saying that they share the same Essence they are the same being
12:2912:29 - because they are all God while at the same time being distinct persons yeah I would even um sort of mention that in
12:3812:38 - the pantheon that you talked about like the Greek for example there was constant conflict so there’s right right right
12:4712:47 - right well I mean you know and and certainly I mean I I took a couple mythology classes it was related to my
12:5312:53 - major um in college because I was a Classics major and so this isn’t just a unique facet of Greek mythology in the
13:0013:00 - Norse pantheon as well for example where you have Odin and Loki and Thor and and Freya and so on like you said conflict
13:1013:10 - and but there was also disparity and Status there there there was not this sense of equality um and also and both
13:1613:16 - of these pantheons not to get too off topic here but um both of those pantheons they kind of the gods were
13:2313:23 - portrayed as very human in a way that God for us as Christians is not and this isn’t to say you know like how when we
13:3013:30 - talk about how um the the wine press of God’s Wrath we call that an anthropopathism um you know we’re
13:3813:38 - attributing this human emotion to God in a way that God really doesn’t have that in the same sense that we do whereas for
13:4513:45 - the Greeks and the Norse and and you know plenty of other pantheons throughout cultures and history the gods
13:5113:51 - were basically just really powerful humans so they magnified um they magnified human Humanity in all of its
13:5913:59 - good and bad parts and so for example in The Iliad which is a famous uh War epic written by the Greek poet Homer call it
14:0814:08 - Circa 800 BC um you know uh aliot is all about uh you know glory on the battlefield uh this is the siege of Troy
14:1614:16 - by the Greeks and um Zeus comes off looking kind of like a big meanie um you know he’s he’s kind of sitting back and
14:2314:23 - watching the Greeks and the Trojans destroy each other um and you know there isn’t this sense of fundamental justice
14:3114:31 - but basically Zeus gets angry um Zeus is capricious in the way that humans are they don’t transcend you know the the
14:3914:39 - flaws of humanity but okay so all that you know I guess I don’t want to get to off topic but our God is not like that
14:4714:47 - right our god is perfect and just and infinite so that he is Nothing Like Us right in our fallen sinful State um and
14:5914:59 - more to the point among the people in the godhead among the Father the Son and the spirit they share this this Unity of
15:0615:06 - perfect will of perfection in a way that we can’t even comprehend um so it’s not even like you know siblings or friends
15:1515:15 - who know each other really well who tend to you know agree more than they disagree it is perfect unity and that is
15:2115:21 - fundamentally different than relationships that we can understand as humans because we don’t have those in
15:2615:26 - our own lives there is no equivalent to this and this is another way in which God is completely
15:3515:35 - unique right so the first place that we are going to turn here um in establishing
15:4515:45 - this again we are talking about how God being three in person does not mean that we have three different gods well we’re
15:5115:51 - g to again be focusing on this sense that the father is God and the son is God and the spirit is God so they’re all
15:5815:58 - gods which means that they share the same Essence they’re all the same being and
16:0316:03 - so this is uh one of the the classic verses in the Old Testament that talks about um God being one um and so uh
16:1216:12 - something that Audi had actually brought up off the recording you know in between time here I just thought it Bears
16:1716:17 - mentioning here is how unique this is among world religions um so for uh the unity that we have um you know this mono
16:2816:28 - theism is what you know the sociologists and historians will call it um is such a a different Force than all of the
16:3616:36 - religions around them and so it always put Israel in conflict with the Canaanites or the Hittites for example
16:4316:43 - because you know the Israelites were at least they’re supposed to be monotheistic versus these other cultures
16:4816:48 - which were not it is a fundamental incompatibility right and in that um in this verse in Deuteronomy chapter 4 so
16:5816:58 - uh we are given to know that he is God and there is no other beside him um you know I think there’s other places in
17:0417:04 - Deuteronomy um in uh you know the pentti the earliest books of the Bible that make it real clear that um you know as
17:1117:11 - God had revealed himself to the Hebrew people there was one God and only one God and that made him very distinct from
17:1917:19 - you know all of the other people groups around them um in Canaan even in Egypt um so you know
17:2917:29 - with other things that we’ve talked about before the father is usually pretty easy here right when we say the
17:3417:34 - father is god father being the the representation of deity as AI has put it before well yeah you like we don’t have
17:4217:42 - to try too hard to show that one um so this is one example as in other places we could aduce verse after verse after
17:5117:51 - verse that would support this point as well um in fact we already have more or less and this none of this should seem
17:5617:56 - like completely new to us because we’ve already gone through and established that the father is God and that the son
18:0118:01 - is God and the spirit is God but the point that we’re kind of emphasizing now is that because they are all God they
18:0718:07 - are united in essence it means that they’re not three separate persons that’s what we’re getting at now
18:1418:14 - but anything more to say on the father specifically oh no I don’t think so yeah I mean like I say this one probably the
18:2418:24 - easiest of the members of the Trinity to get behind how the father is god um because the father is the one who acts
18:3118:31 - as the representation of deity the one um who is separate from the world now uh stands behind that Veil um the one who
18:4018:40 - kind of manifests the authority of the godhead so well we’ll leave this here and uh we will pick up talking about the
18:4818:48 - Son and the spirit also being God meaning that they are also uh joint partakers of the same Essence rather
18:5618:56 - than being separate beings so next we’re going to be talking about the father and the son and in fact this
19:0519:05 - verse right here this is John chapter 10 verse3 where Jesus says I and the father are one um you know to the point that
19:1419:14 - people sometimes say that Jesus never claims to be God you know I don’t I don’t know exactly what they make of
19:2019:20 - this verse then but um this is very literally the point that we are talking about right now where Jesus doesn’t say
19:2919:29 - I am a being of deity on equal status with the father you know so if that were the case you know if we were speaking of
19:4019:40 - three separate beings who had similar Essence right the the not uh God is made up of three persons who are joint
19:4819:48 - partakers of the same Essence but if we were actually talking about three separate Gods so to speak this verse
19:5319:53 - makes absolutely no sense because Jesus would have to instead claim that he was a being on par with the father you know
20:0220:02 - that he and the father had equal abilities uh equal character you know that they were similar but that they
20:0920:09 - were not the same but Jesus doesn’t claim that Jesus says that he and the father are one he is God and in fact
20:1720:17 - getting this point wrong it it you know like you can’t you can’t responsibly interpret when Jesus claims this when he
20:2320:23 - claims to be God um in the Gospel of John and people want to Stone him it it no sense unless his audience understood
20:3120:31 - what he was claiming right because the very fact that they got so enraged about this was because Jesus wasn’t claiming
20:3920:39 - to be you know like someone God sent or you know another being he was claiming to be God to be in Union with God and
20:4720:47 - that’s what affronted the Jews so much was that they understood exactly what he was claiming but he was claiming to be
20:5520:55 - one with God you know like that’s what got them so so angry um and that’s what this verse says so yeah yeah in fact
21:0421:04 - he he they he actually he actually appealed to Psalm 82 where it says um you are Gods so because of of you know
21:1621:16 - how the sorts of gymnastics that people have pulled on that passage I’m trying to say yeah he really meant this no he
21:2421:24 - really meant that he didn’t really mean this and that and so on but he actually said to explain what he said that if
21:3421:34 - those to whom the word of God came where Gods how much more the person that God himself Sanctified and sent into the
21:4321:43 - world that is to say he’s saying I and the father are one is actually more than just being told you are Gods he was
21:5221:52 - saying what the father is I am too yeah that’s that’s pretty tic so his deity is declared
22:0322:03 - without we we were looking at um let see this particular verse was uh you know verse 30 I and the father are
22:1222:12 - one so they wanted to Stone him she says I love this she just asked him for which good work are you stoning me you know um
22:2122:21 - and they say and this is what I mean about them understanding what it was he was claiming they say we’re not stoning
22:2622:26 - you for any good work but because because uh you’re blaspheming you a mere man claim to be God that that sentence
22:3422:34 - there doesn’t make sense unless they understood what he was claiming and they understood that he was claiming that he
22:3922:39 - himself was God right it’s not that he was a God that he was a creature sent by God but that he was God um and that yes
22:4822:48 - you know it’s exactly what we’re establishing here right I mean and then here’s what AI said Jesus reasoning with
22:5322:53 - them about the quote from Psalm 82 um so why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I Saidi not God’s son do not
23:0123:01 - believe me unless I do the works of my father but if I do them even though you do not believe me believe the works that
23:0623:06 - you may know and understand that the father is in me and I in the father right now I should say just by point of
23:1423:14 - reference that when we talk about being indwell by the Holy Spirit and we say the spirit’s within us that that’s
23:2023:20 - different than what this means you know in yeah to use the philosophical jargon in an ontological sense this is a
23:2723:27 - different claim than that claim right yeah yeah and so maybe a bit pedantic but the point is is
23:3423:34 - that Jesus very explicitly In this passage in John chapter 10 is claiming that he is not like a being on par with
23:4223:42 - God that God sent or whatever that he is God he and the father are one they have complete Unity which ontologically
23:5023:50 - Speaking means that they share the same Essence they are the same being it’s what it has to mean because if Jesus
23:5523:55 - refers to the father as a separate person yet says he is one with him that’s where
24:0124:01 - we get different persons but same Essence from um yeah yeah all right what is what is the word for where he’s
24:1024:10 - saying that uh you are Gods you’re all gods is that l so in the Hebrew it would be Elohim
24:1924:19 - plural probably in the Greek I’m assuming it’s the plural here if you’re talking because this quote in John 10 is
24:2524:25 - a quote um even if a not a word for word quote from the suant I’m guessing that this word
24:3124:31 - here now I me here I can look it up so what is this this is verse John 10:34 I bet it’s the plural of Theos
24:4124:41 - um that would have to do with um the nature right our ability to choose the image of God Genesis
24:5224:52 - 1:27 talks about that um we are Godlike in our choice at least that’s certainly how ikus takes it um well the English
25:0025:00 - uses it as a little G that’s what I say the little G Gods the little little G Gods indeed
25:0725:07 - um there there’s also it is the plural of Theos so yeah there’s also um the bit that yes we have the power to choose and
25:2125:21 - to respond to God’s Authority but we all the people specifically to whom this was said in p
25:2825:28 - 82 and um to whom Jesus was referring um in John 10 were God’s deputies you know the rulers in the world those you know
25:3925:39 - like when the Bible said in is to God sits in his Council you know and um he is saying to them uh basically be be
25:5125:51 - just be fair in in your conduct don’t oppress and so on and so forth he was speaking to
25:5825:58 - the the rulers in the nations of the world so when Jesus says um you are gods in that sense he’s speaking to people
26:0826:08 - it’s just like some of the conversations that we’ve had about uh um uh submitting to governments and all
26:1726:17 - of those in authority and stuff like that because essentially they have this divine right to command so to speak to
26:2826:28 - expect to be obeyed so that’s the sort of thing that Jesus is referring to if these ones to whom the word of God came
26:3626:36 - were gods and the scriptures cannot be broken he said how much more the one whom God sets apart for himself for him
26:4626:46 - as his very own and sent forth into the world that is to say if those ones are Gods you should know that I’m more than
26:5526:55 - they are I am actually the same as the father is they are gods in a derivative sense because they are
27:0327:03 - sharing in Divine Authority I’m not just sharing in Divine Authority I own it just as the father does mine is not
27:1327:13 - derivative is what he was saying and the works that he was doing Pro proved it that his word was
27:2227:22 - true yeah yeah right indeed um so couple other verses here that I
27:3027:30 - had added these this was the one I mean none of this that we’re talking about is completely distinct from anything we’ve
27:3727:37 - talked about before uh which is why you know we’re not maybe just not like paragraphs and paragraphs for each point
27:4327:43 - I had pulled in just a couple other verses um there’s this verse in Colossians chapter 2 that talks about
27:4927:49 - how in Christ uh basically is the full the fullness of deity dwells in bodily form within the person of Jesus Christ
27:5727:57 - right um whatever that means it it does not mean that Jesus is a separate God from
28:0328:03 - the father right um if you hold that point of view then what in the world does this verse mean it just doesn’t
28:1028:10 - make sense right um also Philippians chapter 2 ver 6 um this says Jesus existed in the form of God and did not
28:2028:20 - regard equality with God a thing to be grasp right if Jesus were a separate God rather than being himself God you know
28:2828:28 - being a joint partaker of the same Essence as the father why how could we say that he exists in the form of God
28:3528:35 - what would that even mean it just doesn’t make sense um so yeah just establishing the point here that once
28:4328:43 - again we’re back to that interpretive um what I would say the principle of if you start trying to Monkey around with the
28:4928:49 - definition of the Trinity suddenly a whole bunch of passages in the Bible no longer make sense you know you have to
28:5528:55 - go through great gymnastics to explain a way the fact that they seem to contradict
29:0029:00 - whatever interpretation you’re pushing is these are just several examples of what in the world does John 10:30 mean
29:0729:07 - if Jesus is you know a being distinct from the father you know how can he be one with the father if he’s a separate
29:1329:13 - being from the father it just doesn’t make sense uh these other two verses that I pulled in here as well again
29:1829:18 - these weren’t in the study directly I just thought they were good cross references neither of these really make
29:2329:23 - sense either if you say that Jesus is somehow a being with similar Essence to but not the same Essence as the father
29:2929:29 - that he’s not one with the father he’s just like the father then how is there one deity then
29:3529:35 - it just it doesn’t compute it doesn’t make sense and and we’ve argued before in this series that we’ve been going
29:4129:41 - through that that’s the problem anytime you change around anything with a three person’s one Essence bit of the Trinity
29:4829:48 - you you suddenly all these passes stop making sense and yeah that is like the clear message that you can’t do that
29:5529:55 - that that’s just not true and that’s why this idea that the Trinity somehow like is a derivative thing that we just like
30:0230:02 - made up after the fact or whatever just it it doesn’t fly because the Trinity is all over the place in the Bible
30:0830:08 - Understanding the correct nature of the trinity in terms of what the Bible teaches isn’t something that a church
30:1430:14 - Council like voted was true four centuries after the fact or whatever it’s been true since the very beginning
30:2030:20 - since the New Testament was first penned and in fact since beginning of creation because God has always been this way and
30:2730:27 - the B clearly speaks of him in this way so yeah yeah so uh now we’re going to be talking
30:3830:38 - about adding the Holy Spirit to the mix here so we had previously just argued that the Bible makes it real clear that
30:4530:45 - Jesus claims to be one with God he claims to be God in a way that is very distinct from somehow being like a
30:5230:52 - separate a separate God like on the same level as God the Father um but that Jesus claimed to be God um ontologically
31:0131:01 - speaking so to say um and so now we’re going to be talking about the same concept as it applies to the Holy Spirit
31:0731:07 - and so uh the passage of the Bible that Dr lugan bille quotes here in the study is John chapter 14 vers 16 and 17 uh
31:1631:16 - which says I will ask the father so this is Jesus speaking I will ask the father and he will give you another comforter
31:2131:21 - to be with you forever the spirit of Truth whom the world cannot receive for it neither sees him nor knows him him
31:2731:27 - but you know him for he abides with you and will be in you um so to the point that we are establishing that the spirit
31:3631:36 - is one with the father and the son um you know we’ve used this passage previously um in our lessons here to
31:4231:42 - establish that the spirit is a different person from the father and the son right because how can the son send himself or
31:5031:50 - how can you know or sorry how can the son request himself be sent and how can the father send himself you know so that
31:5731:57 - that’s what we mean by the spirit’s a separate person um there are some some other verses here that I brought up um
32:0332:03 - but First Peter chapter 1 verse 21 is talking about inspiration and uh the inspiration of prophets uh it says that
32:1232:12 - no prophecy was ever made by an act of human will but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from
32:1732:17 - God equating the Holy Spirit and God right um also Acts chapter 5 um we we’ve talked about this passage before when we
32:2632:26 - were discussing that all three members of the Trinity were God which is really not a different point than what we’re
32:3232:32 - talking about in this lesson I mean sort of I suppose in how you phrase it but um all three members of the Trinity being
32:3832:38 - God implicitly means that all three you know members of the Trinity share the same Essence um but this is where um uh
32:4632:46 - when ananas and saf were holding back the proceeds from the land that they sold um it basically equates lying to
32:5432:54 - the holy spirit with lying to God um directly and so again direct evidence that the holy spirit is God he’s not
33:0233:02 - he’s not a being similar in essence to the father and the son but he is God in the same way that the father is God and
33:1033:10 - the son is God but they are not each other um and finally uh this other verse that we’ve also talked about repeatedly
33:1833:18 - in our lessons here um uh the Great Commission in Matthew chapter 28 talking about how we are baptized in the name of
33:2633:26 - the father so we’ve talked before about how there’s a single name it’s one name in the Greek but it applies to the
33:3233:32 - father and the Son and the Holy Spirit so it’s not the name of the father and then like a separate name for the son
33:3833:38 - and a separate name for the Holy Spirit but that same name applies to all three of them and it applies to all three of
33:4333:43 - them equally without disparity here right they share this name which only makes sense if they are of the same
33:5133:51 - Essence if they are the same being um so um it’s sort of like an amalgamation here of of points of verses that support
34:0134:01 - this concept but again this is not some great thing that we’re establishing you know like we are completely turning
34:0834:08 - interpretation on his head or anything this is literally no more than just like the son the holy spirit is God he you
34:1634:16 - know he shares the same Essence with the father and the son they are joint partakers of the same Essence that’s the
34:2234:22 - terminology that you’ll hear used and therefore they are all God they are all uh beings with the they
34:3034:30 - are one being with the same Essence um even though as this verse in John 14 makes clear they are different persons
34:3834:38 - um so do you have anything to add to any of this or like that’s not much I mean I think we we
34:4834:48 - could go through a laundry list of of passages in the scriptures that show this the Holy Spirit acting as God being
34:5634:56 - addressed as God and speaking as God it’s it’s it’s hardly I mean when these things actually begin to you know um
35:0835:08 - really come into their own is in the face of opposition that’s when we start to see that it makes no sense when you
35:1635:16 - read the Bible with some conception that the holy spirit is not God we’ve talked about um earlier how even if you were to
35:2735:27 - go and use extreme translations of the Bible that were made specifically to attack the Trinity among other things
35:3635:36 - that that Christians believe for example the new world translation from Jehovah’s Witnesses you will keep seeing that if
35:4735:47 - you were to try to eliminate biblical evidence for the deity of the Holy Spirit or of Jesus
35:5735:57 - Christ you end up in an intractable position where very little in the Bible makes sense and you find yourself
36:0436:04 - preaching things you don’t actually claim to believe so for example in the matter of the sun they would say we
36:1236:12 - don’t believe we’re talking about the Jehovah’s Witness we don’t believe in uh polytheism there is only one God but
36:2036:20 - then they go right ahead and make Jesus a God in John 1 verse1 because they can’t stand John 1 vers1 actually
36:2836:28 - reading that Jesus is God right so they have to make him a God now if you were to go to Hebrews where we have the Holy
36:3636:36 - Spirit speaking as God Hebrews chapter 3 I believe it was where he said um they may um how do they put it something like
36:4736:47 - um uh don’t be like your fathers in the day that they had they they annoyed me or something like that he was speaking
36:5636:56 - as if he was God now they don’t even believe that the holy spirit is a person now how would they translate everything
37:0537:05 - that actually presents the Bible everything in the Bible that actually presents the Holy Spirit not only
37:1237:12 - speaking as a person but speaking as God I don’t know how they would manage it when he is not even a person in their
37:1837:18 - view so we find that whenever you go to such extremes just as as um Steven has said you will find that a lot of things
37:2737:27 - in the Bible seize to make sense so it makes sense to take what the Bible says on its face that the father is God the
37:3837:38 - son is God the holy spirit is God the three of them are distinct individuals they are distinct persons in their own
37:4737:47 - right but they are not three different gods because the Bible declares without question that there is one God
37:5737:57 - so we have um a very solid uh proof in the as far as the scriptures go if we are taking the scriptures word for it
38:0738:07 - then the Holy Spirit definitely is God just like the father and the son both are as
38:1538:15 - well so just to that’s the wrong one this set of slides here so this section that we’ve been going through today
38:2238:22 - talking about how they’re all joint partakers of the same Essence um I just want to be C in case any people coming
38:2838:28 - behind in these lessons are wondering this this past lesson we did where we established that all three members of
38:3338:33 - the Trinity are deity is actually the basically it’s the same point that they’re joint partakers of the same
38:3938:39 - Essence because when we say they are all God what we mean by that is that they are all the same being you know they are
38:4638:46 - all deity in the sense that they are God right so all these verses that we went through before are really you know like
38:5338:53 - all of these that teach the Trinity the father is God the son is God the holy spirit is god well all of these claims
39:0039:00 - that you know the father is deity and the son is deity and the Holy Spirit is deity that they’re all God that they are
39:0539:05 - all addressed as God proper all of those really apply here as well um yeah um it’s not it’s not like um what I would
39:1639:16 - to say like the the mechanism is different here or whatever um so the reason why we’re wording this this way
39:2339:23 - is the lesson right before this one we were talking about how they’re co-equal co-eternal
39:2739:27 - consubstantial they share that Essence right um and we’re just basically this section has been worded in such a way
39:3539:35 - that we are opposing the notion of pantheons we are opposing the very idea that um the members of the Trinity are
39:4539:45 - separate Gods um but it’s not really a fundamental different teaching than that all members of the Trinity are God it’s
39:5239:52 - the same thing it’s just opposing sort of a a different heresy um because the heresy that this this first set was kind
40:0040:00 - of getting at was for example saying that the son wasn’t even God to begin with it’s kind of a different way it’s
40:0540:05 - kind of a different heresy than saying that the son is a God but just a different God than the father see what
40:1040:10 - I’m saying um yeah and and so that’s kind of why the study was set up how it was I mean actually I can’t pretend to
40:1640:16 - speak for Dr luging bill that’s my guess because most of these sections have been of kind of organized in terms of
40:2140:21 - combating past heresy on these matters um but basically saying that all three members
40:2840:28 - of the Trinity are are deity is what the other section was getting at and that was dealing with for example Jesus
40:3640:36 - Christ was actually God not just a human being and he you know like the holy spirit is God as in you know like rather
40:4440:44 - than not being god um versus what we’re talking about now are is that the father and the son and the spirit are all of
40:5140:51 - the same Essence which is also saying that they’re all God but it’s saying as a opposed to the son somehow being a
40:5840:58 - separate God from the father it’s just a little bit of a different thing is all but all of the evidence to get us to the
41:0541:05 - right interpretation that the father and the son and the spirit all share one Essence and they are all God it’s the
41:1041:10 - same it’s the same general thing that’s what I’m trying to say yeah yeah all right anything else on the spirit or is
41:1841:18 - that where we’ll kind of cut it here for this point yeah I’m
41:2541:25 - done all right so this lesson we have been examining how God is three in person but
41:3341:33 - that does not mean that the Trinity is composed of three or more different gods and kind of as I just closed on and the
41:4041:40 - very last thing we talked about was pointing out how this is a little bit of a distinct thing from talking about the
41:4641:46 - Divinity of Jesus Christ in the spirit for example in that we have been arguing that um we are not merely talking about
41:5441:54 - um you know like the capability and status of the Son and the spirit but that they share the same Essence and
42:0042:00 - that’s sort of arguing against a different heresy than that Jesus wasn’t even Divine to begin with like the arens
42:0642:06 - might say um so in this lesson we’ve gone through been establishing how uh the father is uh you know said to be God
42:1442:14 - as particularly uh you know even before we had more explicit Revelation in the New Testament um the Jewish people being
42:2242:22 - monotheistic made this such a shocking claim in the culture around them and then we talked about how Jesus very
42:2942:29 - obviously claims not to be a God but he claims to be God and this is part of the reason why um the crowds in John chapter
42:3642:36 - 10 you know sought to Stone him because they knew exactly what he was saying they knew what he meant and he was
42:4142:41 - claiming that he was God that he and the father are one so what John 10:30 says and then finally we talked about how um
42:4942:49 - the holy spirit is obviously God as well um verses that we’ve gone over before that establish the fact that he is god
42:5542:55 - um and how all of this ties back together to give us this notion that rather than being three separate beings
43:0243:02 - three separate Gods the Father the Son and the spirit are all the same being they are joint Partiers of the same
43:1043:10 - Essence right that’s kind of what I titled this section joint partakers of the same Essence which is just kind of
43:1543:15 - theological jargon for saying that they are one person United in essence even though they are three separate persons
43:2343:23 - um and so that is kind of where we are going to be wrapping up um the last uh of these lessons where we’ve been going
43:3143:31 - through uh kind of some things that the Trinity is not to kind of help throw into sharper relief uh what the Trinity
43:3843:38 - actually teaches so that we can make better sense of that three person’s one Essence um so we’ve been on that for uh
43:4443:44 - maybe three or four lessons now you know we’ve been going through some of these points about um the nature of the
43:4943:49 - Trinity and next we’ll be moving on to kind of examining the Trinity a bit more in scripture and how God operates and
43:5643:56 - things like that so this is kind of a a uh soft uh not stop but a transition point for us in our study um as this
44:0544:05 - lesson kind of closes this section where we’ve been talking about um basically these these points uh about what the
44:1244:12 - Trinity is not so with that um I hope um everyone picks up next time when we start diving a bit more into how the
44:2044:20 - Trinity shows up in the Bible specifically