Trinity Roles as Demonstrated in Gods Plan for Human History

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00:0000:00 - so picking up in our next section in the study here of Bible basics part one theology we are still talking about the
00:0700:07 - Trinity roles and now we’re going to be examining them as they’re demonstrated in God’s plan for human history so in
00:1500:15 - the last main lesson of this series we were discussing uh the Trinity roles as kind of seen in some specific New
00:2200:22 - Testament scriptures and now we’re going to kind of take a step back and look from a conceptual level at some of the
00:2800:28 - parts of God’s plan for human history and how the Trinity roles are present in making those uh those aspects of his
00:3600:36 - plan work out um so we’re just going to kind of talk about the the concept in general about how the roles can be seen
00:4400:44 - in the plan of God for human history that’s kind of how we understand God and we see how he works um in all of his
00:5000:50 - actions taken in regards to us uh so you know creating mankind saving mankind that sort of thing um and so here’s a
00:5700:57 - non-exhaustive list of examples that we’re be going through talking about the Trinity roles working out sorry working
01:0601:06 - within certain aspects of the plan of God so we’re going to kind of talk about the plan of God generally um then
01:1101:11 - creation of the world revelation of the word of God Christ’s first Advent the victory of Salvation that happened at
01:1901:19 - the cross reconciliation of the believer regeneration of the believer the Walk of the believer Virtues Of The Believer
01:2601:26 - spiritual gifts of the believer and then prayers of the believer and um again not meant to be an
01:3201:32 - exhaustive list here but just examples of uh how the three roles in the Trinity the three members of the Trinity adopt
01:4001:40 - their roles as it relates to God’s plan for human history and then finally we’re going to talk about caveats about more
01:4701:47 - or less how the roles are not uh how shall we say this like hard and fast rules as in it’s not so much an ability
01:5601:56 - thing with regards to the members of the Trinity acting the way they do as if they couldn’t act in any other way as it
02:0202:02 - is how they have chosen um the roles that they have adopted in how they relate to us in the plant and so um and
02:1102:11 - and basically how the lines get blurry in some places and um you know this isn’t so much as I say describing God’s
02:1602:16 - nature as a black and white um sort of God has to work this way or that way but this is how God has chosen to operate so
02:2602:26 - we’ll get to all that but this is the outline of the things that we are going to be going over this
02:3402:34 - week all right so the first uh main thing that we’re going to be talking about just kind of this overview idea of
02:4102:41 - what it means for the Trinity roles to show up in the plan of God for human history and so when we get to the other
02:4802:48 - side um after uh the heavens and the Earth have been remade the father is dwelling with us in the New Jerusalem
02:5602:56 - alongside the fellowship of Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit and when we are all with one another all of the believing
03:0203:02 - people from all times and places in history well at that point we will know even as we are known that is the
03:0803:08 - terminology that scripture uses to describe this concept but until that time our understanding of God in three
03:1503:15 - persons is essentially dependent on the way that the Bible reveals the trinity in the process of carrying out God’s
03:2203:22 - plan for human history and so this actually shouldn’t come as any sort of large surprise to us um in as much as
03:3003:30 - we understand God from you know our interactions with him as humans and so uh the Angels existed with God prior to
03:4003:40 - this creation cycle we would say prior to the existence of mankind and so their understanding of God you know God has
03:4703:47 - always been trinitarian in nature he didn’t become trinitarian with the creation of man he has always been so um
03:5403:54 - it’s actually somewhat interesting to consider how their conception of God if you will might be colored by God’s
04:0104:01 - interactions with them just how our conception of God is colored by God’s interactions with us now of course we
04:0804:08 - have some inkling of how Angelic history went down and how it is still currently playing out and Satan’s Final
04:1504:15 - Destination in the Lake of Fire and things like that but the point for us as humans is that we understand God
04:2204:22 - primarily through how he interacts with us in material creation um and so we’re going to be going through us the roles
04:3104:31 - taken by the trinity in a few aspects of God administering his plan for human history um and so uh that isn’t I’m
04:4004:40 - trying to think about how to say this that isn’t just like his plan for people this is this universe this present
04:4604:46 - creation this Cosmos that we inhabit uh God’s plan for all of it uh so what we might think of material creation um so
04:5404:54 - human history is a good way to say that because as uh you know the creatures that God has created with free will we
05:0205:02 - are the subjects uh in creation who choose for and against God in a way that animals do not and so we are distinct
05:1005:10 - from them in that we have the image of God uh that that’s a verse in Genesis chapter 1 Genesis 1127 talks about us
05:1705:17 - being the given the image and likeness of God and um ichus takes that to be human Free Will essentially the ability
05:2305:23 - to choose is what makes us Godlike um and so for that reason we are the focus of God’s Redemptive plan towards
05:3205:32 - creation um so along those lines what we’re going to be focusing on is how God acts towards us and what that tells us
05:4205:42 - about the roles that the members of the Trinity have chosen to adopt so you have any any just wider points you want to
05:4905:49 - make about why we’re approaching this concept talking about the plan of God um I know in the past we we’ve often taken
05:5705:57 - that step back just to try to to contextualize our in sort of the purpose of all creation um yeah uh there isn’t
06:0706:07 - really much that I would say I except something I’ve said in the past I’m sure I’ll I’ll essentially be repeating
06:1406:14 - myself um our interest in uh how the Trinity Works what the Trinity is and all of that
06:2306:23 - is because it helps us to appreciate what God is doing in our experience there the the way that
06:3306:33 - the Bible is structured we’re not told things just for the sake of being given information there are lots of things the
06:4006:40 - Bible does not tell us about eternity about God about the Angels even about life in this world lots of things that
06:4906:49 - we’re discovering um scientifically and having experience in the Bible does not concern itself with not because we don’t
06:5606:56 - have any interactions with those things but because ultim they’re not particularly relevant to the experience
07:0207:02 - we are having spiritually we’re here to make a choice about the Lord and in order to help us understand what the
07:1107:11 - issues are and understand what the stakes are we’re given a wealth of information much beyond what we um will
07:2007:20 - fully appreciate in this life and use but everything that is relevant to our actually making those
07:2707:27 - choices that is why we have any information on the Trinity as I have said before this thing even though we
07:3507:35 - did not know we we don’t see in the Old Testament that um there was the father the word the the spirit the son whether
07:4307:43 - you call it the word or the son the same thing even though we don’t see that particularly in view in the Old
07:5007:50 - Testament we will find lots of scriptures in the Old Testament that tell us that there is something um
07:5607:56 - interesting about the the the person of God we see him as one but we also see multiple personalities who are God we
08:0608:06 - see that in the Old Testament but we don’t actually see who is what where in the Trinity we don’t see the trinity in
08:1308:13 - view in the Old Testament but in the New Testament it’s brought to light it’s made clear to us and the reason for that
08:2008:20 - is because it’s bound this whole idea of the Trinity is bound with God’s Plan of Redemption so um I would say that
08:3008:30 - uh our interest in this is essentially to understand what the Lord is doing with us it is bound with the plan that
08:3808:38 - God has for realizing a family in the end and because man is Central to it because Christ is Central to that plan
08:4508:45 - we come to appreciate um what the Bible says about the Trinity as a result so um again it’s like one of those things
08:5408:54 - where um some people might feel it’s not relevant to my faith whether there are people who would say well uh it doesn’t
09:0109:01 - matter if I believe that the three are three separate persons or if it is one person wearing three different hats and
09:0609:06 - all of that but it’s going to affect your understanding of Salvation it’s going to affect your understanding of
09:1109:11 - why you’re still here after you’ve believed in Jesus Christ if you don’t understand the Trinity as the Bible has
09:1809:18 - given us to understand it so um that’s that’s what I would say it’s important to uh appreciate what the Bible has to
09:2909:29 - say about all of these things um particularly about this so that we can have um Clarity we can understand what
09:3809:38 - it is we’re doing here on Earth that’s what I have to say yeah I mean and I think it is no exaggeration to say that
09:4609:46 - you cannot properly understand Redemption for us as humans if you don’t understand the Trinity right um you know
09:5309:53 - there’s a reason why Jesus being God and man is considered to be part of the Gospel message the body of Christ so to
09:5909:59 - speak and you can’t really properly understand who Jesus was and why he was sent that is sent by the father and how
10:0710:07 - he was empowered by the Holy Spirit if you don’t understand the Trinity now the point in saying this is that we
10:1410:14 - understand the Trinity most fundamentally through God’s Redemptive plan for us as humankind right that was
10:2010:20 - kind of the overview here that’s why we’re going to be looking at all of these points along U you know as as
10:2710:27 - points along the path of human Redemption and God plan for human history but the purpose of this like
10:3210:32 - Audi has been saying is to help us make sense of that um that is the light in which we understand the Trinity and that
10:4010:40 - is the light in which these rules were adopted and I’m going to keep harping on that point because there are actually
10:4510:45 - plenty of folks who who teach things other than that as in the roles of the Trinity are inherent to God’s nature of
10:5210:52 - the three persons although we don’t find that persuasive because we say God share is one Essence so the differences in the
11:0011:00 - members of the Trinity and how they act are adopted roles for the sake of redeeming mankind right there it’s a
11:0711:07 - choice um and that’s an important point to make right God has choice in the same way that we do um but the roles of God
11:1511:15 - are demonstrated through his actions in his plan rather than God being bound as if his hands were tied um so we’ll get
11:2411:24 - to that I think a little bit more a future section not so much this one but just important points to make here about
11:3111:31 - God’s roles showing up in the plan for human history so now we’re going to be going
11:3911:39 - through a non-exhaustive list of examples of parts of God’s plan for human history and how the roles of the
11:4811:48 - Trinity are demonstrated in these parts of the plan so uh purpose of this slide more or less just to say that more
11:5511:55 - things could be discussed than those we are going over here even with just a few examples though like the few that we’re
12:0112:01 - going to go over in kind of upcoming slides here it should be clear how the working out of God’s plan for human
12:0912:09 - history helps us understand the roles that the member of the Trinity have adopted that is it will shed light on
12:1712:17 - how the Trinity operates within material creation that’s kind of the point of us going through all these examples but
12:2512:25 - just because we go through I don’t know 10 examples or however many exactly we’re going through here doesn’t mean
12:3012:30 - that there aren’t more instances and in fact it is no exaggeration to say that everything that God is working out in
12:3712:37 - the world his entire plan has all three members of the Trinity involved adopting adopting the roles that they have chosen
12:4612:46 - to support God’s Redemptive purposes for Humanity throughout all creation right in fact you should think of this as
12:5212:52 - basically unlimited as in not just in these areas as if in all the other areas only one member of the trinity is
12:5912:59 - involved but this kind of applies all the way across the board so that’s what I would say uh by way of
13:0813:08 - starting out here um Audi have anything else before we get into specific examples
13:1513:15 - [Music] um I don’t think I I don’t I don’t think I do right now just keep going okay
13:2613:26 - yeah so this one might be kind of cheating almost but the first thing we’re going to talk about is just the
13:3213:32 - plan of God generally so I know I said we’re going to be talking about specific cases here but this is kind of what I
13:3813:38 - was getting at uh just a moment ago that everything in the plan of God uh actually involves the roles in the
13:4613:46 - Trinity fulfilling their parts it’s not just um it’s not just this part and that part and that part as if there are Parts
13:5313:53 - where this doesn’t apply but the entire fabric of creation if you will has the roles of the Trinity operating um in
14:0214:02 - perfect Unity again not completely separate as in separate Wills the one will of God um operating out in Perfect
14:0914:09 - Harmony to bring about God’s purposes so the entire plan of God generally is authorized by the will of the father so
14:1714:17 - decreed by the will of the father executed by the word the son and administered through the wisdom and
14:2514:25 - power of the spirit so empowered by the spirit with evil restrained by the spirit like we’ve talked about in the
14:3114:31 - past um now there are a lot of scripture references in all of these slides um if people have questions we can go through
14:3914:39 - some of them I was going to leave this as sort of something that um people who come back and are watching this we go
14:4514:45 - through this um kind of do take your time to look at the references see where we’re getting what we’re talking about
14:5114:51 - but as we make a pass through this study at the top level was thinking we were going to talk about the concepts more
14:5714:57 - and trust that the scripture the Dr luganville uses to support what we’re saying here it’s pretty straightforward
15:0215:02 - most of the time and that’s another reason why I was thinking maybe we wouldn’t go through passage by passage
15:0715:07 - here um so for example that um the plan of God is authorized by the will of the father and executed by the son and
15:1415:14 - administered through the power of the spirit um all of these things you will see um come up in scriptures reasonably
15:2215:22 - directly like we’re not making big jumps here and that’s true for most of the examples as we go through them here but
15:2915:29 - for this first one mostly what we’re talking about is how the plan of God WR large not just individual facets of it
15:3615:36 - but how the whole thing also follows this pattern that we’re talking about about the roles of the members of the
15:4315:43 - Trinity being involved from the get-go um all the way throughout the plan rather than just focusing on specific
15:4915:49 - portions of it uh perhaps one of the most uh not easy to understand but uh uh something
15:5915:59 - that is easy for us to conceptualize in how this division of labor uh might be split out is the creation of the world
16:0616:06 - of the universe generally um and so if you think of uh creation as a process where God is building the universe if
16:1516:15 - you will in the same way um that Carpenters might build a house or things like that so we would say that the
16:2116:21 - father is the one who came up with the blueprints he’s the architect the one who has the plans and the authority to
16:2816:28 - direct the construction we would say um carried out by the son um who’s the one who affects uh creation who who bends
16:3716:37 - material Universe to his will we we might say and then empowered by the Holy Spirit um the one who is um who whose
16:4816:48 - role in this process is to um give the Firepower we might say to bring it about and so this division here um that we
16:5616:56 - have have brought about the architect and and the one who does things the one who acts in a visible Manner and the one
17:0217:02 - who acts in a less visible manner but behind the scenes to support that which is being done that is nothing new that
17:1017:10 - is what we have been talking about here but um in the creation of the world and and everything that is in it right so
17:1817:18 - that includes us as humans we can see that this division of labor is present uh among the members of the Trinity and
17:2617:26 - as we’ve been saying this is true for everything throughout God’s plan uh for human history plan for the universe
17:3317:33 - generally but it is kind of obvious in creation right um now when we see god mentioned in Genesis we will get to this
17:4317:43 - in not the lesson that we’re kind of currently focused on so this video but the next one that we do we’re going to
17:4717:47 - be talking a bit more specifically about uh God in the Old Testament and how do we know which member of the Trinity is
17:5417:54 - kind of meant in which place and things like that um but the point Point here is is that these are how the roles manifest
18:0318:03 - in the process of creation um now um this is a little bit off topic so I hope you’ll forgive me here it’s interesting
18:1118:11 - to consider how this was true not only in the days of recreation that um those of us who believe in the so-called
18:1918:19 - Genesis Gap postulate between the first and second verses of Genesis chapter 1 that is the world was judged on account
18:2718:27 - of Satan’s rebellion and and in the book of uh the first couple chapters of Genesis we actually have an account of
18:3318:33 - God’s Recreation of the world um so he blacked out the universe in judgment um uh the Waters of the deep you know were
18:4118:41 - spread across you know everything would be snuffed out in darkness this is why we see a state of Darkness at the
18:4618:46 - beginning of the book of Genesis even though God is light well this division of labor as I say we have in a visible
18:5418:54 - sense to us because the account of creation that we are given in the book of Genesis well it’s very human-
19:0119:01 - centered right you see uh we have you know the division of the waters above from the waters below and the creation
19:0719:07 - of lights and the creation of animals but in fact a lot of ink is spent in those initial chapters talking about the
19:1319:13 - creation of humankind uh for obvious purposes the Bible is the book given to us by God to help us understand him so
19:2019:20 - it’s obviously going to be focused on us but take a step back and consider that God had actually already created the
19:2719:27 - universe flora and FAA and uh you know things we don’t even know we we do know that um the Angels initially inhabited
19:3519:35 - Earth just like us right this planet we would say in our solar system in our galaxy and what have you but God’s
19:4219:42 - creation this is not the first time right and so if we are talking about creation and how the father’s the
19:4919:49 - architect and the son’s the agent and the spirit’s the empowerer well consider that what was it like the first time and
19:5719:57 - I don’t want to get off in the weeds but I think it’s interesting to consider that the roles that God has adopted with
20:0320:03 - regards to humanity right we’ve been arguing that we understand God through his roles as they manifest in our
20:1220:12 - universe you know this present creation and how God interacts with us well did those carry back into how God interacts
20:1820:18 - with the angels as well and I think um again I don’t want to get too of in the weeds here that you can postulate that
20:2520:25 - the answer is yes because Jesus Christ um has United himself to humanity he took on a full human nature he is one of
20:3420:34 - us and that should blow our minds right that God um that Jesus Christ is now fully God yet fully man and he chose to
20:4020:40 - adopt a human nature rather than an Angelic nature for example um God created the angels too um so that these
20:4820:48 - roles aren’t just necessarily the playing out with regards to God’s relationship to humanity but God’s
20:5520:55 - relationship to all of his creatures right and this to tie it back into a point that I know Audie has has made
21:0221:02 - very well multiple times throughout the study is why this rebellion of Satan and God’s plan for us as being replacements
21:1021:10 - for the fallen angels He is restoring his family those who want to choose for him that’s why we were created not just
21:1721:17 - to manifest the glory of God you know that’s the normal catechism answer but also because of this wider conflict
21:2321:23 - playing out on the pages of History we might say human beings are part of this story that is unfolding in the universe
21:3121:31 - and so for that reason it’s not just like God has this one relationship with us as humans and then he’s completely
21:3921:39 - different in how he acts with the angels I would say that it is more about how he interact with material creation um so
21:4821:48 - again don’t want to get too off in the weeds there but the point is in God’s creation of the universe we see this
21:5421:54 - division in the responsibilities that the members of the Trinity have and and that division that is present here will
22:0122:01 - show up all throughout all of the other examples we talk about as well right so um with respect to uh the
22:1222:12 - Angels um yeah it it it only stands to reason as far as I can see that indeed the the roles of God were
22:2422:24 - also uh at play then the reason I would say so is it’s not as if we’re an afterthought or that something went
22:3622:36 - wrong in the plan that God had and he had to make a fix all of this is the plan of God the Angels the
22:4522:45 - human race and ultimately the blend of God’s family at the end he always meant to have a family that came out of the
22:5522:55 - tests that angels went through that human being are going through so everything that has happened is part of
23:0323:03 - that test that’s that’s actually the reason that um we say some of the things we say like
23:0923:09 - for example that uh mankind is sort of the centerpiece the the the Lynch pin of God’s plan
23:1823:18 - because it’s it’s the Christ who is both man and God who makes the plan of God possible so without human Humanity
23:2923:29 - the plan of God would not really work because okay let’s uh let’s let’s consider this thoughts just a little bit
23:3823:38 - um if God had just created the family he wanted and not granted the opportunity for testing and
23:4723:47 - everything on what basis really would this eternal family be satisfied that their God is a good god
23:5823:58 - it would be like a fate accomp if if they have the capacity to reason through the whole Business of Being God’s family
24:0624:06 - they would essentially have to just deal with the fact that they are supposed to be his family without any
24:1424:14 - choice in the matter now there’s no there’s no reason God can’t have that he is God he can do
24:2024:20 - whatever he wants but his character constrains him to make a family that wants to be his
24:3024:30 - family eternally and for that to be the case they have to be able to make a choice
24:3524:35 - that’s number one then number two they have to see the aftermath of those choices they have to see the
24:4124:41 - demonstration of God’s character in real time to them and to others that satisfies any possible question that
24:5024:50 - could arise as to whether being part of God’s family is a good thing for them or not so when the creation of the Angels
25:0025:00 - it was it just makes sense to to think that the way that God conducted himself toward them would not be terribly
25:0725:07 - different than the way he he conducted he he conducts himself toward us the the big differences would be that the Angels
25:1525:15 - were created given all the advantages so that they did not need to sin there was no impetus there was no no necessity to
25:2425:24 - sin in fact um one of the things that we discussed today uh during our our family bible study was that it wasn’t so much
25:3225:32 - that God made the Angels unable to repent as if he gave them a handicap it was that he gave them such a huge
25:3825:38 - advantage that they didn’t need to be able to repent in other words their understanding of God was made so
25:4825:48 - great that their their their knowledge was so vast and it it it encompassed everything in a way that human beings
25:5725:57 - simply don’t quite have their ability to do so when they made a choice it’s it would have been
26:0526:05 - impossible to get them to change their minds because they had taken just about everything into account at making that
26:1026:10 - choice what new information could you give to them that would change their minds now for example consider that um
26:1726:17 - Satan knows very well he knows this is it’s not hidden from him that the Bible says he’s going to lose this fight he
26:2426:24 - knows it and he knows the time that he’s working with he knows the time that the Lord has given for the testing of
26:3126:31 - mankind the Bible even tells us not only that he loses this phase of the B of the of the battle this phase of the war he
26:3926:39 - loses completely the church is completed and given into the Embrace of the Lord Jesus Christ then he sees the Millennium
26:4726:47 - come to pass and the the the um contingent of the uh friends of the Bride realized he will see all of these
26:5626:56 - things happen prophecy completely fulfilled And yet when he is released from his prison what does he do he goes
27:0627:06 - right back to war that’s what he does so it’s not so these these these differences
27:1427:14 - that we see between them and us they’re not big enough to to suggest that there was a difference in the way that the
27:2027:20 - Lord handled them except of course there was no plan for Redemption for them because they would not you know take
27:2627:26 - advantage of that plan and I mean and I wasn’t trying to make a Grand Point by this other than I think it’s very
27:3227:32 - Illuminating for us to consider some people seem to really bulk at this idea that we understand God through our
27:3927:39 - relationship with him as in they view that as um fundamentally almost conditional upon humankind you see what
27:4627:46 - I’m saying rather than an and a characteristic of God who is independent from Human perspective we would say and
27:5327:53 - I was just trying to bring up the idea that well there was a time before h right and the way in which God
28:0228:02 - operates his choice is independent from our perception of him right we do not alter God’s being just by watching him
28:0928:09 - for example um or any nonsense like that and um something else that occurred to me as you were talking as well so this
28:1528:15 - idea of angelic knowledge was progressive revelation that’s a theological term that we typically use
28:2128:21 - to say that basically God hasn’t revealed his full plan to people throughout all of history right so the
28:2828:28 - before the first Advent of Christ it was kind of a mystery it was hidden from people’s eyes that there would be two
28:3328:33 - advents rather than just one well that applies to angels as well um not perhaps in quite the same way as we are because
28:4128:41 - they have vastly more knowledge than we do but there’s this verse in I think it’s in First Peter that talks about
28:4628:46 - even angels want to look into these things right yeah you know and and so this idea of progressive revelation
28:5328:53 - applies to angels as well um and so specifically actually God sending Jesus Christ to the Cross you know we talk
29:0329:03 - about this as this was the the move whereby Jesus crushed the head of the serpent we would say right fulfilling
29:0929:09 - that Prophecy from Genesis chapter 3 um well Satan didn’t see this move coming right God hadn’t exactly made it clear
29:1829:18 - to the angels beforehand that the second person in the Trinity was going to take on a human nature and die for the sins
29:2429:24 - of mankind that caught them by surprise we would say right um and as wise as the
29:3229:32 - angels are they didn’t see what we would call the the move of Victory right that God’s won you know we we do believe this
29:4129:41 - by the way positionally the cross is the turning point of all history Jesus conquered death death has no power over
29:4829:48 - us anymore the battle has already been won on the basis of the blood of Christ on the cross but they didn’t see it
29:5429:54 - coming and moreover the roles that went into into that Jesus adopting a human nature in submission it’s not that he
30:0230:02 - ever wasn’t acting as the agent before that but that particular facet of it was not realized until the Incarnation right
30:1030:10 - and so angels are learning too right they’re different from us they learn differently they make their choices
30:1530:15 - differently but this idea of God’s revelation of himself which is very fundamental to the Trinity actually we
30:2130:21 - will get to that again not this lesson but I think in the next one we’ll talk about this why didn’t God just tell
30:2730:27 - Humanity about the TR from the very beginning it’s a good question right um well we’re going to address that then
30:3330:33 - but it also applies to how the Angels conceive of God right and they see God’s roles working out in his Redemptive plan
30:4030:40 - for All Creatures yeah so yeah so we we we might not actually you know consider that
30:4730:47 - there was a Redemptive plan for them at that time because as we s with the position of mankind is that we start
30:5330:53 - from the place of sin they started from the place of righteousness so it was more like um
30:5830:58 - uh is this God worthy of continuing to receive our service and our worship
31:0631:06 - that’s where they were but as such um one thing that I’ve seen exus talk about is that Satan actually envied the second
31:1331:13 - person of the Trinity the role the place he had in creation you know so it was like even then they knew
31:2231:22 - about the Trinity and of course there had to be there was still that sort of division so to speak of roles some
31:2731:27 - something that um Would Have Made It sensible to think that Satan would go well if the second person of of the
31:3631:36 - Trinity um should have these privileges why can’t I you know and remember too that this is something that humanity is
31:4231:42 - also dealing with a sense of uh Envy of the Lord Jesus in the position he has you know in God’s plan and in in God’s
31:5331:53 - world so to speak so you you find a lot of people who want to be christs just like him or people who want to demote
32:0032:00 - him to the position of just any other Prophet he’s no better than I am so to speak so people have to deal with that
32:0732:07 - sort of thing today and there is no reason to think that um the Angels did not also have to deal with that um so
32:1532:15 - yeah that’s that’s what I would say I think that there is a place for uh that thought yeah for sure and I would say a
32:2232:22 - good way to put what we’re talking about is that the throne that Satan usurped is the Throne of Jesus Christ right and
32:3032:30 - Jesus will come back um we kind of already did after the resurrection but especially after his return he’ll make
32:3632:36 - the world foot stol um for the father well s or Jesus will sit at the right hand of God the father right um and that
32:4432:44 - Throne that’s what we’re talking about that’s the one that Satan us serve we call him the prince of the power of the
32:4832:48 - air I think that’s Ephesians 2 right or maybe Ephesians one I don’t remember but the point is is that Satan stole this
32:5432:54 - and he stole the seat that rightfully belongs to Jesus Christ who is the true Morning Star and Jesus is going to take
32:5932:59 - it back there’s nothing Satan can do about it but anyway I’m sorry we got a little off topic there but this is a
33:0533:05 - very interesting conversation as it relates to the roles of God in all of material creation that wider plan that
33:1233:12 - we always like to kind of uh uh bring up The Echoes of as it goes about how we live our lives is that well this entire
33:1933:19 - thing is playing out this is why we’re here this is why the universe exists and God’s roles have been there from the
33:2633:26 - beginning right his his purposes his plans stand for all time and we are just part of that getting a glimpse into the
33:3533:35 - division that um God’s perfect Unity brings as he works out his plan in the world so including in creation as we’ve
33:4333:43 - just been going over yeah so having talked about the first example of the creation of the world and
33:5333:53 - how the roles in the Trinity manifest in that particular part of God plan we’re going to talk about the revelation of
34:0034:00 - the word next So within the three roles we would say the father expresses the word Christ is the word he is called the
34:1034:10 - logos the Divine logos in John chapter 1 The Living Word of God who became flesh and dwelt Among Us and the spirit is the
34:1934:19 - one who reveals the word and you could put in parentheses here to us he’s the one who makes spiritual things
34:2534:25 - intelligible to us without the Holy Spirit who convicts our hearts of the truth we would not be able to comprehend
34:3134:31 - spiritual things because we are not inherently spiritual in the way that it is necessary to do that so our ability
34:3934:39 - to understand and comprehend the truth comes from God and just a side tangent this is one of the reasons why it’s so
34:4634:46 - incredibly arrogant to think that we are somehow saved any other way other than by grace through faith right by Grace
34:5334:53 - emphasis on that because we couldn’t even understand the things we have to believe to be saved if it weren’t for
35:0035:00 - God helping us right see what I’m saying there like we couldn’t we couldn’t even take that step independent from God now
35:0535:05 - this doesn’t mean that God conditions our belief but it does mean that it is entirely through Grace that we are saved
35:1435:14 - but the purpose of this slide is getting at the revelation of the word of God to the world um and uh progressive
35:2235:22 - revelation does come into this right Jesus is the word of God John chapter 1 Express says that he is the agent in
35:2935:29 - creation right the world was made through him it’s how we would say it you know actually that gets back into
35:3535:35 - creation of the world that we just talked about but Jesus Christ is the Divine logos we don’t kind of fully
35:4235:42 - understand that until he comes in the flesh in the first Incarnation and in fact in a positional sense even though
35:4835:48 - Christ has already paid for our sin on the cross death is already defeated he’s going to return again in Revelation 19
35:5535:55 - to defeat the armies of the Antichrist at armag get in and then he will rule from Jerusalem during the Millennium
36:0136:01 - that’s kind of still coming positionally and if Christ is the word of God he is still present progressive being revealed
36:0836:08 - to the world however when we think about what Jesus is what he represents right God’s plan Jesus is the embodiment of
36:1936:19 - the word of God in the sense of the plan of God God’s relationship to humanity it all centers on Jesus Christ this is why
36:2736:27 - we say Jesus Jus is the word of God right he is the Lynch pin of God’s plan to save Humanity but in that sense Jesus
36:3636:36 - is an expression of the father’s will right of the Father’s Love we’ll get to that I mean I’m skipping ahead but
36:4236:42 - somewhere over here right we say that the father gives us an example of love in sending his son to die for us right
36:4836:48 - Jesus is the object of our faith and we have the hope of Resurrection since we are sealed with the Holy Spirit Well
36:5436:54 - that I mean all of these things are related of course what we’re saying is Jesus say the word of God the message of
37:0037:00 - God if you want to use that so the Greek word behind word here is logos and has a whole bunch of meanings actually it’s a
37:0737:07 - flexible word we would say um reason logic uh comes from the word too logic actually you can see the root there um
37:1537:15 - well Jesus is God’s message to humanity and in fact um one of my favorite passages I I I think I might have even
37:2337:23 - brought this up already once in the study but these first few verses of the book book of Hebrews are so powerful
37:2937:29 - right that in the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets in many times and in various ways but in these
37:3437:34 - last days he has spoken to us by his son spoken to us by his son his son as the word of God as the message of God right
37:4337:43 - an expression of the father’s will something that is visible to us in the word Jesus is the Father’s message what
37:4937:49 - he did for us on the cross is the Father’s message to us but we only understand that and uh and have it made
37:5737:57 - uh have it make sense to us through the quickening of the Holy Spirit and that’s a Ministry of the of the spirit um so
38:0538:05 - that is kind of where we’re going when we say that the roles of the Trinity are all in play when we talk about the um
38:1338:13 - when we talk about the revelation of the word of God in the world so aie anything you want to say on this
38:2038:20 - one yeah um I want to add that that word uh logos also his plan so again we come back to the plan of
38:3338:33 - God the plan of God is to have an eternal family and that plan is only possible because Jesus Christ would die
38:4038:40 - on the cross for human beings rescuing human beings and demonstrating to the angels that God is
38:4638:46 - both just and merciful and thus cementing his um right
38:5838:58 - to their worship and confirming those who chose loyalty to him and condemning those who
39:0439:04 - chose Rebellion against him so again this is God’s plan which we were
39:1439:14 - talking about a little earlier that he would have an eternal family and the way he would get it is
39:2039:20 - that he would create creatures with the ability to make choices and put them through experiences where they could
39:2539:25 - actually make choices and ultimately see how those choices play out and how God responds to them so that they can
39:3239:32 - appreciate whether they have made the right choice in standing with God and wanting to be his eternal family or
39:3939:39 - whether they’ve made the wrong one in choosing against him so in Jesus Christ all of this is embodied all of it is
39:4839:48 - fully embodied and the father again is presented as the one who expresses this plan
39:5839:58 - that is the one who speaks this plan and again Jesus Christ is the one who is basically the plan we see this for
40:0940:09 - example going all the way from Genesis to Revelation he is the one who is demonstrating what will happen on the
40:1640:16 - cross much later on when he Slaughters an animal in the garden and gives the the coat of skin to Adam and Eve and
40:2340:23 - then comes later on to die on the cross and will return later on to resurrect those who believe in him so we see we
40:3140:31 - see that Common Thread running through that he is he is the one that this whole thing has been about and the spirit is
40:3840:38 - the one who is revealing this that is he is the one who is bringing it to life in our eyes we’re seeing it happen you know
40:4640:46 - he made the Incarnation possible for example and he made the sacrifice possible and he raised the Lord Jesus
40:5440:54 - from the dead and so on and so forth and he has given us today the witness that we need in our own hearts of the reality
41:0041:00 - of this truth and if we choose to keep walking with the Lord every day learning about him he continues to
41:0841:08 - unveil what this plan of God really is as embodied in Jesus Christ so next we’re going to be talking
41:2041:20 - about Christ’s first Advent and obviously this is a big part of God’s plan for human history we would say in
41:2641:26 - fact culminating in Jesus’s death and Resurrection for us this is the central part of God’s plan for human history um
41:3541:35 - Christ uh in the Incarnation is sent by the father um and then conceived LED and empowered by the holy spirit in his
41:4341:43 - ministry as a human being um during the time we would say he was under kinosis and so when Jesus became man when he
41:5341:53 - dwelt Among Us um as a human being being he was not taking full advantage of his divine power right this is the doctrine
42:0242:02 - of kinosis but he still had the empowerment of the holy spirit in much the same way the Old Testament prophets
42:0842:08 - did except because it was Jesus it would be more more intensified more in quantity however you want to think about
42:1542:15 - it he was empowered by the spirit during the Incarnation um and uh in fact the spirit was Central to him paying for our
42:2342:23 - sin upon the cross as well um so taking that step back the first Advent of Jesus Christ and we would say this is uh the
42:3242:32 - the crown of thorns not the kingly crown right the suffering servant not the Conquering King that Jesus will be when
42:3842:38 - he returns during the second Advent well this particular phase in God’s plan for human history involved all three members
42:4642:46 - of the Trinity working together in the roles that they adopted uh for working out the plan of God just as we’ve been
42:5242:52 - talking about right uh Christ is sent on the father’s Authority as a representative of the father and so when
42:5942:59 - you think of all the language in the Gospel of John that comes along the lines of the one who sent me and and his
43:0643:06 - testimony Jesus is speaking of God the Father um and so God the father is the one without authority Jesus is sent by
43:1443:14 - him Jesus is the one who is sent the one we see the one who is before us before our eyes the one working out God’s plan
43:2243:22 - since the payment of human sin and in fact the Incarnation and all of Jesus’s suffering up until the cross well
43:3043:30 - obviously that was done by Jesus Christ right the agent but he also had the indwelling and the empowerment of the
43:3743:37 - Holy Spirit and the anointing of the Holy Spirit as well you know and this is kind of well symbolized by his baptism
43:4343:43 - which we’ve already been through um we I think we talked about that if not the last lesson at least too back um about
43:5043:50 - how Jesus’s baptism unlike the baptism of John the Baptist generally speaking represents um him being submerged in our
43:5843:58 - sin so to speak but coming up being resurrected after the cross God’s acceptance of his payment for our sin
44:0544:05 - right that is the the metaphor of the baptism of Jesus Christ by John the Baptist well the spirit is the one who
44:1444:14 - enables this as well um so I don’t think too too much to say here other than it is another reflection of these roles
44:2144:21 - that we’ve been talking about um this time obviously very critically important to the plan of God in that the um the
44:2944:29 - conception the birth um the life the crucifixion the resurrection of Jesus Christ is the plan of God in essence
44:3844:38 - right this is the the Cornerstone the lynchpin of God’s redempt plan for Humanity um a you have anything to add
44:4744:47 - to this particular one no except just to repeat what I said yeah yeah it’s actually the same it’s the same as we
44:5644:56 - will continue to see now we’re going to talk about the victory of Salvation now this is
45:0845:08 - obviously very closely linked with Christ’s first Advent although the first Advent kind of encompasses both the
45:1345:13 - Incarnation and Christ payment for our sin where we would say the victory of Salvation really more focused on the
45:2045:20 - cross and what that means for us here um so if you think of this in an almost a military context or
45:2745:27 - something where we have these very clearly delineated Authority relationships um the father is the one
45:3345:33 - who sends the son on the mission the son is the one who accomplishes the mission and the Holy Spirit is the one who
45:3945:39 - supports the mission right so you want to think of it like a special operations mission right God is like Special
45:4645:46 - Operations Command that’s the father and the son is like the the the team of operatives that get sent to do it and
45:5345:53 - the spirit is supporting um the team leader down in the world right I’m not quite entirely The Perfect Analogy but
46:0146:01 - it helps us understand that the purpose of Christ coming into the world to pay for our sin it was a mission this is why
46:1146:11 - the Incarnation happened this is why he became a human being and lived Among Us was to take that penalty for our sin in
46:1946:19 - our place um this was the mission to which he had been assigned the cup that he was to drink from you want to use
46:2646:26 - that language as as he was praying in Gethsemane I think it’s in John chapter 17 I want to say maybe I’m wrong on that
46:3246:32 - you know he was praying for our benefit not because he didn’t actually want to do the will of the father but to give us
46:3846:38 - a sense of what he was willingly signing up for right he was accepting the mission that the father had given him um
46:4646:46 - to pay for all human sin past present and future that we might be reconciled to God the father that was the mission
46:5446:54 - that Jesus signed up for right um so that’s why the father sent him that’s what the son did when he was in the
47:0047:00 - world and he was supported by the spirit in this Mission assigned by the father again just the same idea that we’ve been
47:0847:08 - going through all along here yeah so can I say something yeah yeah keep going yeah go for it okay okay right so
47:1847:18 - there’s a there’s a reason I want to jump in here it’s critical to to remember that when the sun came for this
47:2747:27 - job for this Mission he had to live a truly human life without taking advantage of his
47:3447:34 - deity in any way this is something that I feel is usually lost not not not lost in its entirety I think that we all at
47:4347:43 - least comprehended on some level but there are certain things that about the way he lived his life and the things he
47:4947:49 - did that leads quite a few Believers to the conclusion that he he did take advantage
47:5747:57 - of his deity without realizing that doing so would have would have invalidated his sacrifice the Lord Jesus
48:0448:04 - had to be a real true human being like anybody else in this world he had to or else he couldn’t be the the captain of
48:1548:15 - our of our Salvation he couldn’t which explains then the father could send him and he
48:2448:24 - was going on on an extraordinarily difficult Mission nobody has had that kind of mission since the beginning of
48:3048:30 - the of the human race until now nobody could have been sent into a world in that way had to maintain perfect
48:3948:39 - righteousness and still die for the people who would eventually murder him people who persecuted him and ultimately
48:4548:45 - killed him and he was going to be paying the price of their sin by the by his death it was an impossible mission for
48:5248:52 - any ordinary human being to handle and remember even though he was born sinless even though he was special in every kind
49:0049:00 - of way he was still a human being so the only way he could have accomplished that mission was taking full advantage of the
49:0649:06 - Holy Spirit that’s the only way which of course brings the whole
49:1349:13 - idea you know to play that there was a division of roles he had to live a truly human life without taking advantage of
49:1949:19 - his deity the Holy Spirit had to play the part of supporting him that is he had to hold him up in the way that de
49:2649:26 - was supposed to hold him up and this the reason this this is critical for us to appreciate too is that in our own
49:3449:34 - personal lives as Christians in this world we have undertaken a very in fact you could say an impossible mission as
49:4049:40 - well and the person who is supporting that mission and making it possible at all is the holy spirit without him it’s
49:4749:47 - never going to work so again this division of roles comes to Bear because it shows us again as I’ve just
49:5749:57 - said how it is even possible for any of us to get through this world as a Believer and not lose our faith because
50:0450:04 - the captain of our Salvation did the same thing he lived a truly human life without taking any advantage of all the
50:1250:12 - advantages that he did have as God he certainly couldn’t be tempted with anything as God because he had
50:1950:19 - everything and yet when he was born into this world he was born to the line that God had promised would rule the world he
50:2750:27 - was born to the line of David and David had been promised that he would eventually rule the world that there
50:3250:32 - would always be someone sitting on the throne of Israel and ultimately God was going to give the rulership the
50:3850:38 - Premiership of the Nations to Israel so Jesus was born to that role but his family was poor and he wasn’t even
50:4650:46 - recognized as having come from the davidic line everybody thought he came from Galilee he did not come from
50:5250:52 - Galilee he was from Bethlehem in Judah they didn’t Accord him the respect that was due to him and he had to endure that
50:5850:58 - sort of thing how many of us could take that sort of trouble but this is what where again we see how this division of
51:0851:08 - labor works out he played his own role which was to live that life he was called To Live taking full advantage of
51:1451:14 - the role another one was playing the Holy Spirit supporting him in every way to make sure that that role worked out
51:2151:21 - and I think like you said I I I think we just it’s not so much that people would disagree with the point we’re making
51:2751:27 - like in a theological sense is that it just doesn’t get discussed that much right as in we we have this obvious
51:3351:33 - focus on the father sending Jesus and Jesus perfectly exercising his Free Will in the world but the thing is that on
51:4351:43 - its own in his Humanity Jesus couldn’t have done it right the Holy Spirit has to play that role of support otherwise
51:5051:50 - the Incarnation isn’t possible right I think maybe that’s a bit harder for us to grasp but um if you take a back and
51:5751:57 - you think when we fight against sin in the Christian Life sanctification if we try to do it solely on our own will now
52:0452:04 - of course we have a sin nature Jesus did not that that is a complicating Factor it is true however it is impossible for
52:1152:11 - human beings to completely you know turn their backs on sin 100% like how Jesus had to do to be a worthy sacrifice
52:2052:20 - without the power of the Holy Spirit right um so when Jesus is facing the tests why the devil you know as recorded
52:2752:27 - in the gospels you bet you he was praying and the Holy Spirit was working within him for him to resist the
52:3452:34 - Temptations for him to do the right thing in those circumstances and this is why the Bible says that Jesus can
52:4152:41 - sympathize with us he understands us because he was actually a human being in the same way that we are not just that I
52:4952:49 - don’t know he kind of looked like a human being but on the inside he was all different right no he was one of us
52:5452:54 - truly and that means that when he went through tests and trials and and tribulation and all that
53:0153:01 - difficulty that AI mentioned that no one before or since will ever have to endure what he endured he only got through it
53:0753:07 - with the power of the spirit he couldn’t have done it without the power of the Holy Spirit that’s where we see the
53:1253:12 - roles come into play like you said um yeah so now we’re going to talk about
53:2153:21 - the reconciliation of the believer and so we would say the believer to the father the father as the the face the
53:2853:28 - representation of deity right as Audi has used that phrase um the one who has the power to judge us as the one with
53:3653:36 - authority right well our reconciliation to God and and specifically the father as the one manifesting that
53:4353:43 - authoritative presence to us that happens through the payment of Jesus Christ that’s the victory of Salvation
53:4853:48 - we just talked about his payment for us on the cross the culmination of his Incarnation as a human being well the
53:5653:56 - Recon ilation of the believer to the father happens through the roles of the Trinity have adopted too so the father
54:0354:03 - is the one that we are positionally arrange estranged from um we are restored to fellowship with him through
54:1054:10 - the mediation of the son by means of his sacrifice on the cross right so Jesus intercedes from us he is he is our
54:1754:17 - Advocate and intercessor but he’s also the one who paid for our sin on the cross and the spirit is the one who
54:2554:25 - actually uh for lack of a better word makes that Fellowship possible with God as in we are united with God we have a
54:3254:32 - fellowship with him through the indwelling of the Holy Spirit we talked about this a little bit before in you
54:3954:39 - know the the Great Commission the pass the passage that often gets proof text for water baptism we talked about how
54:4654:46 - actually we are becoming United with the person of God um father son and spirit it’s why the Trinity is invoked there
54:5454:54 - it’s not just oh well I’m going to do some ritual and say father son and spirit and wave my hand over you it is
55:0055:00 - you are becoming one with the Trinity which is composed of these three equal members we we use that Pastor to talk
55:0655:06 - about equality they’re mentioned in the same breath we become one with God upon belief upon spiritual baptism into the
55:1555:15 - person of the father and the son and the spirit and that is mediated through the indwelling of the Holy Spirit um in
55:2155:21 - Romans chapter 8 Paul says that those who do not have the Holy Spirit are not of God right we are sealed with the
55:2755:27 - spirit it is a sign of our belief right um it’s the hope of Resurrection we have that sealing of the Holy Spirit but the
55:3555:35 - spirit’s ministry here is the one of of reconciling us he’s actually the one through whom we have this reconciliation
55:4455:44 - we would say because his his indwelling presence within us is what gives us unity and fellowship with god um and so
55:5355:53 - uh in all three of these ways right again the father as the representation of authority the one whom we are
55:5855:58 - estranged from on account of our sin the son as our Advocate and intercessor alongside being the one who paid for our
56:0656:06 - sin through his actions on the cross and the spirit being the one who actually mediates that reconciliation between us
56:1356:13 - and God um by by indwelling us by giving us that by linking us to God the father and God the son and God the Holy Spirit
56:2256:22 - himself is is through that indwelling of the Holy Spirit within us um all three members of the Trinity heavily
56:2956:29 - involved in this process of reconciliation on that the theological term for it here a you have anything you
56:3756:37 - want to you want to comment on as it when it comes to this particular facet uh I don’t think I have much to
56:4556:45 - say on it um I think you’ve covered the grounds yeah I don’t think I have anything to say yeah all right good deal
57:0057:00 - so the next one we’re going to talk about is the Regeneration of the believer now I should say that I think
57:0757:07 - sometimes in uh trying to think about the right way to phrase this maybe the way people talk about regeneration you
57:1257:12 - may hear it combined with baptism or baptismal regeneration people sometimes get the wrong idea about this um this is
57:2157:21 - nothing more than us being indwell by the Holy Spirit after we believe so at the point of belief uh we are made new
57:2957:29 - people you know we are born again from above that’s the way that John chapter 3 would phrase it we put off the old man
57:3557:35 - and put on the new man and all of these things are describing our new state as God works within our hearts to unite us
57:4457:44 - with himself through the indwelling of the Holy Spirit and so I feel like trying to think about the right way of
57:5157:51 - phrase is maybe certain groups throughout history have they’ve tried to like make this some sort of magical
57:5757:57 - ritual or something or I don’t know um I’m just trying to think about the way I just I feel like that there are
58:0558:05 - people who take regeneration that use that word and then they attach other things to it and they make it more
58:1058:10 - complicated than it really is um so I don’t want to get too off topic rambling here about all the the false things that
58:1658:16 - people say about this but it really is no more than us being united with God through the indwelling of the Holy
58:2458:24 - Spirit and once he is living within us he helps us resist sin and uh guide us in the truth and make spiritual things
58:3258:32 - known to us um there’s this verse I think it’s in first corini chapter one that talks about how one um like the uh
58:4558:45 - how foolish the gospel appears to those who are not being ADW by the Holy Spirit right um so we do not discern spiritual
58:5358:53 - things entirely intellectually but through the indwelling of the Holy Spirit he helps Quicken our minds to
59:0059:00 - spiritual truth so this is what we are talking about when we are talking about regeneration but to turn us back to the
59:0759:07 - roles in the Trinity the idea behind this um as it pertains to eternal life and us being sealed with the Holy Spirit
59:1559:15 - is that the father is sort of the one who holds the keys to eternal life uh the one who has the authority to uh to
59:2359:23 - give it or withhold it um the son is the one who purchased it uh by his death on the cross for all who believe in him and
59:3259:32 - this is traditional formulation of the Gospel nothing should sound new here but the spirit’s role in this is that he’s
59:3959:39 - the one who actually regenerates us the one who uh unites us with God and indwells us giving us that power to
59:4859:48 - discern spiritual things so there’s this passage here um that is quoted in John chapter 3 this is what I was mentioning
59:5559:55 - being born again from above right um and of course when Jesus is talking to uh Nicodemus In this passage um he kind of
01:00:0401:00:04 - doesn’t understand what what does it mean to be born again how can I go again into my mother’s womb but Jesus is
01:00:1201:00:12 - talking about us becoming part of um the body of Christ being baptized into the person of God as we we’ve continually
01:00:2201:00:22 - harped on that passage in Matthew chap 28 the Great Commission talking about us becoming spiritually United with God
01:00:3001:00:30 - through the indwelling of the holy spirit that is what we are getting get here um and so everyone who is born of
01:00:3701:00:37 - the spirit is born again right Born Again from above um this is what we are talking about about
01:00:4301:00:43 - regeneration and it’s just no more again that the father’s the one with authority the son’s the one who paid for it and
01:00:5001:00:50 - the spirit is the one who empowers us to live in our newness of life these are the same roles that seen continually so
01:00:5801:00:58 - aie do you have more to go on um anything we’ve talked here about regeneration and what that means for
01:01:0701:01:07 - us yeah um one thing I would like to point out is that regeneration is literally
01:01:1601:01:16 - regeneration like we are being remade essentially we are being
01:01:2601:01:26 - reborn so everything that you said is true the other aspect to it is that we
01:01:3501:01:35 - are not going to be the same people we were before we were joined to God through faith in Christ in fact once we
01:01:4701:01:47 - have become once we have believed we receive if you will a new nature we we become different people as
01:01:5801:01:58 - um Paul put it in I believe 1 Corinthians 5:17 or something like that I think it’s
01:02:0501:02:05 - 5:17 of First Corinthian or else second Corinthians um uh how does it put it if any man is is uh believes or is born
01:02:1601:02:16 - again he’s a new creater all things have passed away all things have become new um if any man is in Christ he has become
01:02:2401:02:24 - a new Creator creation all things have passed away everything has become new so that’s a very critical point of um this
01:02:3201:02:32 - regeneration and why this is uh important is that on the one hand God is Not
01:02:4201:02:42 - refurbishing what we used to be making it a better thing he’s making something entirely
01:02:4901:02:49 - new then on the other hand this is the work of God our part in it is that we’re saying yes and you see you see again
01:02:5801:02:58 - this this um division of labor so to speak we are being made new we are born again we are born a new from Above This
01:03:1001:03:10 - re being reborn is a work of the Father the Son and the spirit the father has a role to play in it the SP the son has a
01:03:1901:03:19 - role to play in it the spirit has a role to play in it that is what we are discussing so this regeneration this
01:03:2601:03:26 - remaking of the person is a work of the Trinity it’s not something that is happened stance it’s deliberate on the
01:03:3501:03:35 - part of the Trinity and each member of the Trinity plays a role in realizing it yeah yeah so something I was looking for
01:03:4401:03:44 - I know it’s in one of the Peter series I can’t find it I know it’s one of the earlier ones that talks about the idea
01:03:5001:03:50 - of uh sort of positional versus experiential versus Eternal you know what I’m you what I’m mentioning Audie
01:03:5701:03:57 - um so this comes up a lot when we talk about sanctification um or even salvation generally right Paul Paul uses
01:04:0601:04:06 - the phrase this I think it’s Paul you know working out your salvation with fear and trembling right it is a present
01:04:1201:04:12 - progressive sort of thing and what I wanted to get at here and just going off of what what we’ve just been talking
01:04:1801:04:18 - about is how um regeneration for us this idea of us being born again sometimes I think people
01:04:2601:04:26 - overemphasize the sort of you know oneandone nature of it as if well I’ve been saved I am a believer now and then
01:04:3601:04:36 - they use that as an excuse to not do anything after that um and so uh drct lugan pill often talks about how when we
01:04:4401:04:44 - are in the Christian Life we are either moving forward or moving backward and there is no sitting still um so if we
01:04:5101:04:51 - are not pushing forward spiritually we will eventually atrophy if let the weeds of the world choke out our faith we will
01:04:5801:04:58 - be backsliding um and why this is important for us is because even though it is true that we are new people once
01:05:0601:05:06 - we become indwelt by the Holy Spirit and and God makes spiritual truth accessible to us through the quickening of our
01:05:1501:05:15 - understanding through that indwelling of the Holy Spirit Well we can’t just do nothing with it after that we have
01:05:2201:05:22 - expectations um to pull from the military metaphor which we’ve discussed before in that last series we did on
01:05:2801:05:28 - peroy we spent a long time on it we are Christian Soldiers who’ve been given a duty and we have marching orders and if
01:05:3601:05:36 - we fail to act on that we are disobeying orders and that carries severe consequences in the military but we are
01:05:4401:05:44 - soldiers of Jesus Christ so where I’m going with all this to ties back to Regeneration is that it is not just
01:05:5001:05:50 - something that’s in the past that okay now we’re washed clean before God and yay now we can be saved eternally and I
01:05:5901:05:59 - can just go enjoy my life now we have all of these things that we need to be continually working out in a present
01:06:0601:06:06 - progressive sense um and it’s not like God will I don’t know so if if we just don’t work hard enough God will like
01:06:1401:06:14 - kick us out of his family or something um that’s not what I’m getting at here but the point is is that he wants ever
01:06:1901:06:19 - so much more for us than just doing the bare minimum to not go to hell right doing the bare minimum to be saved from
01:06:2601:06:26 - our sinful State and actually accept Christ sacrifice that should just be the starting point for us that’s how we
01:06:3301:06:33 - ought to view this um and I just another point to emphasize here is that the only way in which anything happens in this is
01:06:4301:06:43 - through God this is one of those reasons why um all of these heresies of the past that deal essentially with the subject
01:06:5101:06:51 - of us working our way into heaven somehow is complete nonsense because you can see in this process we’re talking
01:06:5601:06:56 - about the only way that we understand spiritual truth is through the indwelling Holy Spirit which is given to
01:07:0201:07:02 - us by God and we are able to have access to him and have it be just because Christ paid for us right so the father
01:07:1201:07:12 - planned it the son paid for it and now the spirit is the one who gives us access to the truth where is there room
01:07:1701:07:17 - for us to claim that we did anything to save ourselves there just isn’t any when we properly understand this it becomes
01:07:2601:07:26 - real clear that the Redemptive plan of the Trinity is the only thing that brings us into the family of God and we
01:07:3101:07:31 - have to not say no and of course that is exercising free will on our part but it should just go to show that all of these
01:07:3901:07:39 - things that we’ve been talking about here for the Trinity is God working out his plan and in fact it’s not us we
01:07:4601:07:46 - don’t have a hand to play in our Redemption here in God making us new people and so if we are to actually live
01:07:5401:07:54 - as the new people people that God wants us to be it comes entirely through his power and we get access to that by
01:08:0101:08:01 - submitting in our free will to the holy spirit that indwells us um that’s what it means for us to be regenerated in the
01:08:0801:08:08 - spirit to be the new man um uh a chapter that’s really good for this I don’t want to go too far field here but Galatians 5
01:08:1601:08:16 - talks about the tension between the Flesh and the spirit and how we need to live by the spirit that is that I guess
01:08:2201:08:22 - walk by the spirit is what verse 16 says here um so if we are led by the spirit we are
01:08:2801:08:28 - not under the law we need to do the things of the spirit and those are spiritually discerned not physically
01:08:3401:08:34 - discerned here in this world um and so where I’m going with all of this is that it’s not just something that we get to
01:08:4101:08:41 - sit on our hands after we are saved we have to submit to God and God will give us the power to do things after that but
01:08:4901:08:49 - I don’t know I just want to talk about the progressive nature of it a little more anything to add or are we good on
01:08:5501:08:55 - on this idea of regeneration you think no you you can go on all right great so the next one of these things
01:09:0701:09:07 - that demonstrates the roles of the trinity in the plan of God that we’re going to talk about here is going to be
01:09:1301:09:13 - the Walk of the believer now this one should be familiar for anyone who has watched uh our series on parapo theology
01:09:2101:09:21 - the section of the Bible basic series on ichus talking about the Christian walk um we did that one a couple years back
01:09:2901:09:29 - before we were doing this present study which is part one of that series on ikus that one was part 6A and so we spent oh
01:09:3701:09:37 - a nice long time I think there was like 90 some odd videos in that series talking about that study but that entire
01:09:4401:09:44 - thing was talking about the Walk of the believer and so to Riff on what we just talked about in the last section talking
01:09:5101:09:51 - about regeneration I was making the point that we have duties and responsibilities and expectations and
01:09:5801:09:58 - things that we should strive for as Christians past just being saved past just having that indwelling of the Holy
01:10:0401:10:04 - Spirit Well when we are indwelled uh the holy spirit gives us spiritual gifts God gives us talents and
01:10:1101:10:11 - aptitudes and we have a purpose in the body of Christ and that is very much part of what this idea of walking um for
01:10:1901:10:19 - us as Christians is uh going on our pilgrimage to Zion being soers here in the world all of these things point us
01:10:2701:10:27 - to that responsibility we have to set our eyes set our eyes heavenward and kind of put our heads down and uh do
01:10:3601:10:36 - what God wants us to do right and that looks different for different people common Pitfall there is somehow thinking
01:10:4201:10:42 - that all people have to be the same in this well God calls us all to different things know that’s that passage comes up
01:10:4901:10:49 - a lot 1 Corinthians chap 12 talking about how um uh just using that that metaphor of the human body some people
01:10:5601:10:56 - are hands some people are eyes some people are feet and so on um so what this looks like for human like all all
01:11:0401:11:04 - of the members of the body of Christ in very detailed specifics can be different but the walk generally speaking as we
01:11:1301:11:13 - talked about in that other study we talked about how it’s all centered around spiritual growth and so this is
01:11:2001:11:20 - uh one of the the mantras I would say that ichus repeats all over the place he reads
01:11:2501:11:25 - studies in Bible basics or any of the big studies the Peter series you’ll see Dr lug B emphasize this three-fold
01:11:3301:11:33 - process of learning believing applying the truth and then helping other people do the same right so that learning the
01:11:4001:11:40 - truth and then applying it being tested to refine our faith and then growing into the Ministries that God wants for
01:11:4701:11:47 - us all three of these things are somewhat sequential but they also are Cycles they feed back into each other
01:11:5301:11:53 - and that process of spiritual growth is what God wants of us that is how we walk with him um as soers here in this world
01:12:0301:12:03 - so that’s the overview now how this deals with the roles since again that’s the point of going through all of these
01:12:1101:12:11 - um all of these ways in which the roles of the Trinity are demonstrated in the plan of God well when we think of this
01:12:1701:12:17 - in terms of sanctification in terms of the standard we are trying to meet the father is the one who has adopted the
01:12:2501:12:25 - position of authority within the Trinity is the one who sets the standard of Holiness um so he is um we’ve used the
01:12:3401:12:34 - analogy before of him being like the king and Jesus Christ being like the Crown Prince someone who intercedes for
01:12:4001:12:40 - us before the king well the law of the land the scepter of authority The Sword of Justice you want to think of these
01:12:4701:12:47 - things are sort of in the father’s hands he’s the one who sets the perfect standard for us that we ought to live up
01:12:5401:12:54 - to and then Jesus Christ is the one that we can see is our role model so we have an
01:13:0101:13:01 - entire lesson um in that last series I mentioned uh about Role Models I think several weeks in fact and of course we
01:13:0801:13:08 - talked about people like Moses and Elijah and David but we did end with Jesus himself and that is no mistake
01:13:1501:13:15 - because Jesus is our elder brother in the faith he is the first fruits of the Resurrection but for us he ought to be
01:13:2201:13:22 - our final role model um he lived a perfect life and we can emulate that if we study his his actions and how he
01:13:3201:13:32 - thought about God and doing the will of the father in the gospels he is the perfect person for us to emulate as a
01:13:3801:13:38 - role model as we go through walking our own lives and how that relates to the Trinity role is because Jesus came into
01:13:4701:13:47 - the world right as the one in the Trinity who we see the accessible member the second person of the Trinity as we
01:13:5401:13:54 - thought about in Prior lessons in this study he’s the one who we can set our eyes upon because he is like us he
01:14:0301:14:03 - understands us and more to the point for us we can see him he manifests himself to us in the world and then just as
01:14:1001:14:10 - always the holy spirit is there behind the scenes giving us the power to live as God would have us live and so uh just
01:14:1901:14:19 - talked about this in our our last discussion here on regeneration as well we do everything we do in the Christian
01:14:2601:14:26 - Life through the power of the spirit so if you think about um this in terms of like lifting weight well maybe we are
01:14:3401:14:34 - responsible only for a small fraction of that weight and the Holy Spirit does all the heavy lifting for us that’s the
01:14:4001:14:40 - appropriate way to think about this we have to choose to lift up the object but we have a great deal of mechanical
01:14:4701:14:47 - advantage if you will through the indwelling Holy Spirit who actually does all of the hard work for us if we just
01:14:5301:14:53 - submit ourselves to to him and so in this way walking how God wants us to walk we look to the father to understand
01:15:0201:15:02 - that perfect standard that’s been set uh to to keep our eyes upon uh really Perfection you know we have this verse
01:15:1001:15:10 - in in I think it’s Matthew 548 I want to say how good my memory is yeah we have the standard for us is perfection right
01:15:2001:15:20 - just as your father in Heaven is perfect right and so you see in verse directly actually kind of glad it’s that good at
01:15:2701:15:27 - Cross didn’t even remember it was this specific but you can see this is why we say the father is the standard here
01:15:3401:15:34 - right um now if we go look at the context of this in The Sermon on the Mount that’s what Matthew Chapter 5 is
01:15:3901:15:39 - um Jesus speaking here um well that’s the very last verse here but um he’s talking about the standard for us um in
01:15:4901:15:49 - fact the context of this is loving our enemies that’s what comes right in this section here and so the father is the
01:15:5601:15:56 - standard that we set our eyes upon and Jesus is the one who we look to as a role model that we can see and the
01:16:0401:16:04 - spirit is the one who gives us the power to do this that is the division of labor between the Trinity roles in the
01:16:1201:16:12 - specific area so Audi do you have additional thoughts to add I believe you meant to say that the
01:16:2001:16:20 - father sets the standard not that he is the standard you know so oh okay yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah you’re right because
01:16:2601:16:26 - we can never be the father of course yes yes um there’s there’s something that just occurred to me one reason that
01:16:3301:16:33 - we’re exploring these things is that um as I as I sometimes say when I am trying to summarize the whole business of the
01:16:4201:16:42 - Bible is that the Bible is concerned with telling us what God’s plan is and in order to give that plan substance and
01:16:5201:16:52 - um reliability it tells us who God is what kind of person he is and what his abilities are like because I mean why
01:17:0101:17:01 - would you sign up if I think some of us would understand what it means when a a startup says hey come work for me you
01:17:0801:17:08 - know you’d be like doing what what what what what is your startup about and you know why should I believe that tying my
01:17:1701:17:17 - um economic wellbeing to you is a good idea you know then if it’s joining an army what is the army is purpose because
01:17:2501:17:25 - it’s my life I’m actually signing off to you do you have good reasoning for the the the the strategies and the tactics
01:17:3601:17:36 - that you employ and what is the purpose for which I’m fighting and you know these these things will be will be made
01:17:4501:17:45 - clear in the nature of whoever the Army is fighting for So the plan of God is what the Bible is really concerned with
01:17:5501:17:55 - but while it is really concerned with that it also um goes on to explain to us why that plan is something we should
01:18:0301:18:03 - sign up for by telling us who God is and what his nature is so when we look at the things like this the the the
01:18:1001:18:10 - distribution of duties or the division of labor so to speak in the Trinity the various roles that each person of the
01:18:1701:18:17 - Trinity um self assigns we get to learn why we can and trust that the
01:18:2501:18:25 - things that we are engaging in are worth it the work of the believer for example is one of the hardest things for
01:18:3301:18:33 - believers to deal with we the standard of Holiness that we’re talking about is when we say ridiculously high it’s
01:18:4201:18:42 - not that it’s unreasonable it is that all you have to do is think about it to decide you don’t want to do it it’s too
01:18:5001:18:50 - hard for human beings which is exactly why the Bible tells us about the fact that the Trinity is so involved in it
01:18:5701:18:57 - without the father setting a standard for Holiness then what are we really doing we have no direction for the
01:19:0301:19:03 - choices we’re making but because he sets a standard now we know the direction in which we’re going but he does not just
01:19:1101:19:11 - set standards and leave us to just go figure it out by ourselves then the holy spirit is there
01:19:1701:19:17 - to tell us look I know you so essentially what we’re seeing is you’re cutting in and out a bit um
01:19:2801:19:28 - I’m only catching like every third word maybe I don’t know maybe just give it a second try again um I am so sorry I have
01:19:3701:19:37 - no idea how I can fix that it’s probably going to just be a network problem okay I mean maybe just try saying what you
01:19:4201:19:42 - said for like the last 15 seconds again or so if you could remember back um okay um I I think what I what I was saying is
01:19:5101:19:51 - that it actually is the fact that we see the involvement of the Lord in this work of the believer that we have confidence
01:19:5901:19:59 - that it can be done we see how the Lord is engaged in it we don’t see just the role of the father that he sets the
01:20:0501:20:05 - standard of Holiness although that is important without the father setting a standard of Holiness we wouldn’t know in
01:20:1001:20:10 - what direction our choices ought to be going but he sets the standard and some people do stop at that point and then
01:20:1701:20:17 - they get lost in the in in legalism thinking that it’s just about meeting a certain standard standard of Ethics but
01:20:2301:20:23 - that’s not just what this is about the father sets out what these standards are the son models them for us showing us
01:20:2901:20:29 - that it’s not just a set of rules but that in the way he lives his life we see this this very intimate connection to
01:20:3701:20:37 - the father living out those standards that he has set but we also see he does not do that by himself he keeps pointing
01:20:4401:20:44 - out the fact that it is the father who does this in him so we see the spirit working it out in him and promising to
01:20:5101:20:51 - do it with anybody who is willing to walk the same path as the Lord Jesus did so the the point here is not just oh
01:21:0001:21:00 - this is how the Trinity distributes duties in in this sort of matter in this in this sort
01:21:0801:21:08 - of example but that the very walk of the believer is very intimately um the Trinity is very intimately involved in
01:21:1801:21:18 - the very walk of the believer so the father does give us a direction for which to which our choice should be you
01:21:2501:21:25 - know trending and the sun gives us a model something to say this is how this is
01:21:3301:21:33 - what the father is talking about and the spirit says I know you can do it I helped the Lord Jesus do it I can help
01:21:4101:21:41 - you too and we know the Lord Jesus lived a perfect life so that tells us that even if we do not quite hit Perfection
01:21:4801:21:48 - because of our sin nature the holy spirit is very very he if he could help this human being even though he was God
01:21:5701:21:57 - live the perfect life he certainly can help us manage coming close to it so this is this is what we’re supposed to
01:22:0401:22:04 - be taking away from this that things like what we’re discussing right now show us how intimately
01:22:1001:22:10 - involved in this plan of God that we we will be discussing in other things that we get into when we when we’re done
01:22:1801:22:18 - discussing theology we’ll probably talk about angelology and whatnot as we see the plan of God unfolding we see how the
01:22:2501:22:25 - Trinity is intimately involved in realizing it both on an individual level and on a collective level so that is one
01:22:3401:22:34 - thing I thought to point out at this juncture sure something you brought up as well is that Jesus Christ in his
01:22:4101:22:41 - kosis was empowered by the spirit in the same way that we will as we have to function as as Believers in the here and
01:22:4901:22:49 - now um so I know I kind of made a big deal out of this I can’t remember for this last lesson or a couple back that
01:22:5501:22:55 - when Jesus lived his life he was indwelled by the spirit in the same sort of way that we are and so I think
01:23:0301:23:03 - sometimes people tend to have this idea in their head well Jesus was God so of course he’s holy and stuff I mean I know
01:23:0901:23:09 - I’m being really vague in that but that’s sort of the point people are really vague about it they just say well
01:23:1401:23:14 - you know they draw a qualitative difference between themselves and Jesus and just say well of course Jesus is
01:23:2001:23:20 - going to be holy right because he’s God and they just kind of wave their hand at it and they don’t think about what that
01:23:2501:23:25 - means exactly and so it is true that Jesus did not have a sin nature um he was born of uh a virgin and one of the
01:23:3501:23:35 - reasons why that’s important it’s not just a miraculous sign in a prophecy um ikus uh interprets the Bible uh to
01:23:4401:23:44 - to maybe interpret is not quite the right word um ichus holds the position and I think it’s a good inference to
01:23:5101:23:51 - make that the sin nature passed down through the male line um one reason for that is because it makes the Virgin
01:23:5601:23:56 - birth very theologically significant right but long story short no matter how you get there Jesus Christ did not have
01:24:0201:24:02 - a sin nature we on the other hand do have sin Natures um there’s this passage here in 1 John chapter 1 um it says that
01:24:1001:24:10 - if we claim to be without sin we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us now uh this kind of often gets missed by
01:24:1801:24:18 - interpreters I think this without sin bit here is talking about the nature um if we claim that sin does not dwell
01:24:2701:24:27 - within us that would be a little bit of a looser translation here that is a different thing than what verse 10 talks
01:24:3301:24:33 - about here if we claim we have not sinned right so our sinful actions come out of a sinful nature we have that
01:24:4101:24:41 - sinful nature all of us Jesus did not um actually interestingly Adam and Eve didn’t start out with the sin nature
01:24:4801:24:48 - either um so what this brings into US is that um when we talk about Jesus resisting temptation right that is a way
01:24:5801:24:58 - in in which the uh he had these pressures put upon him and he faced these trials in the desert Satan
01:25:0401:25:04 - tempting him with these things um Jesus didn’t have a sin nature stabbing him in the back quite in the same manner that
01:25:1001:25:10 - we do but he still faced very real pressure and Temptation now where this kind of leads us is to this idea of
01:25:1801:25:18 - false notion I should be very clear because we have a sin nature this idea of this perfect standard that we’re
01:25:2501:25:25 - called to aie mentioned when he started talking this idea of it is a hard hard thing to live up to right if you take it
01:25:3301:25:33 - seriously and that’s one of the things I think I should emphasize here too is there’s very many people in the
01:25:3801:25:38 - Christian Life who say oh you know like uh why so serious basically um you know you’ve been saved oh look we can all
01:25:4601:25:46 - love each other in perfect unity and fellowship in the body of Christ and God wants us to be happy and and you know
01:25:5301:25:53 - things like this this and and they put the emphasis there and it’s true God loves us God does want us to be joyful
01:26:0101:26:01 - in him but it’s not joyful as in a lack of problems or a lack of struggle is that we are supposed to have that
01:26:1001:26:10 - perspective that because we are saved eternally we shouldn’t let anything dampen our Spirits here in the world
01:26:1601:26:16 - because it’s all just temporary right it’s it’s a very different thing is what I’m trying to say and when we get to
01:26:2101:26:21 - this idea of sinlessness and perfection we need to actually keep our eyes fixed on how perfect that standard truly is
01:26:3001:26:30 - and I I think we are very bad at this and this isn’t just to dig at oh leodan churches and we’re so much better than
01:26:3701:26:37 - that right this is a struggle for all human beings for our entire lives is is internally metabolizing and keeping our
01:26:4501:26:45 - eyes set upon the Perfection of God and and understanding that yes we have a sin nature no that doesn’t mean that we have
01:26:5301:26:53 - any excuse or license to sin as an oh I’m sorry God I can’t help it it’s it’s you know it’s the devil made me do it
01:27:0001:27:00 - right or the sin nature inside me made me do it we have free will part of what that means is that we fight that that
01:27:0701:27:07 - conflict we mentioned you know that passage Galatians chapter 5 I brought up before we have to actually actively be
01:27:1301:27:13 - resisting um even to the point of shedding blood I think that’s Hebrews chapter 4 is it Hebrews 124
01:27:2101:27:21 - Hebrews 124 or 412 yeah it’s 124 um so we have to very actively strive and resist the sin nature within us but just
01:27:3201:27:32 - because we as our broken finite human beings with a sin nature can never achieve that standard of perfection
01:27:4201:27:42 - doesn’t mean that’s not the standard for us and just let me repeat that is still the standard even given where we are and
01:27:4901:27:49 - so I think a lot of the times people make peace with this way more than they should they say throw up their hands a
01:27:5601:27:56 - bit and saywell we are imperfect it’s impossible for us to be perfect that is true right false Doctrine paganism is
01:28:0301:28:03 - this idea that it is possible for human beings to be completely sinless and in practice how this plays out in people
01:28:0901:28:09 - who say they believe something like this throughout history is they just redefine sin to be a very narrow category of
01:28:1401:28:14 - things that they don’t particularly struggle with and then they look down on everyone else and say well look at me
01:28:2001:28:20 - I’m sinless and it’s just it’s very false anyone who is honest about Sin especially sins of the Mind sins of
01:28:2701:28:27 - thought it becomes clear real fast that complete sinlessness is straight up impossible for us as humans have you
01:28:3401:28:34 - never thought an an unpleasant thought about someone else or or been angry if someone does something that is it’s not
01:28:4201:28:42 - just like it’s not just your feelings like they did something objectively wrong to you they wronged you um you
01:28:4701:28:47 - know they stole from you or slandered you or things like this and do we react more than maybe we should right I guess
01:28:5301:28:53 - anyone with even the slightest sliver of humility understands that this idea of no sin ever is a standard that you know
01:29:0401:29:04 - human beings cannot ever meet and so take a step back I don’t want to ramble too long here where I’m going with this
01:29:1001:29:10 - is that the point is not to be crushed by this uh but the point is to look to Jesus Christ as the model for the one
01:29:1901:29:19 - who lived this life that we are in but he did it perfectly but he did it through the exact same means that we do
01:29:2601:29:26 - that is through the indwelling Holy Spirit resting on the power of God rather than his own human flesh right um
01:29:3501:29:35 - so I you know we could talk more about the differences um between the sin nature and and how the sin nature and
01:29:4101:29:41 - the devil work together to tempt us and lead us into sin and how our Free Will is still involved in this and how Jesus
01:29:4701:29:47 - is a little different because he didn’t have a sin nature but where I was going with this for the most part was that
01:29:5301:29:53 - Jesus Jesus actually lived this life as our model perfectly and just because we can’t live up to that doesn’t mean that
01:30:0101:30:01 - that’s not the standard that that’s not where we should be shooting uh where our uh direction finder if you will should
01:30:0901:30:09 - be pointing um so I just thought that was kind of a critical point to make here is that it is not supposed to crush
01:30:1501:30:15 - us but we’re supposed to look to Jesus as our example as our role model um not being despondent about how how far short
01:30:2301:30:23 - we fall but resting in the power of the spirit to even if we get down and we stumble to pick ourselves back up and
01:30:3001:30:30 - keep on going to keep on treading that path towards Zion because that’s what God calls us to um so I know I just
01:30:3701:30:37 - rambled for a lot there I think it’s all pretty relevant stuff but a you have anything to to add no I think you really
01:30:4401:30:44 - covered it okay good deal Okay so so the next one that we’re going to talk about about how the Trinity
01:30:5701:30:57 - roles are relevant in the plan of God and how they are demonstrated in the plan of God in human history he talking
01:31:0501:31:05 - about the virtues of the believer so we talked about how we are uh we have this regeneration through the Holy Spirit we
01:31:1201:31:12 - have new life um God makes us new people we put off the old man and put on the new man we then strive after the
01:31:2101:31:21 - standard that God sets for us right uh looking to the father to set that standard of Holiness emulating the son
01:31:2801:31:28 - through the power of the holy spirit it’s what we just talked about and now we’re going to talk about the virtues of
01:31:3401:31:34 - the believer so what things do we exercise through the power of the spirit as we live our lives walking towards
01:31:4201:31:42 - Zion um to use that pilgrimage analogy here and so uh as it relates to the Trinity roles the father gives us the
01:31:5001:31:50 - example of love in that he sent his son who’s the object of our faith as in we have faith in Jesus Christ both who he
01:31:5901:31:59 - was and what he did for us on the cross so that we look forward to our Resurrection with a hope empowered by
01:32:0601:32:06 - the Holy Spirit and so one reason why you know I when I first read this I was squinting at a bit I was like well what
01:32:1201:32:12 - does the Holy Spirit have to do with hope exactly right like why is the holy spirit necessary for us to understand
01:32:1801:32:18 - this hope right because like the father sending the son in love that that’s kind of obvious right the son being the
01:32:2401:32:24 - object of our faith it’s kind of obvious but what does the Holy Spirit have to do with hope and this gets to that sense
01:32:3001:32:30 - that I was talking about before about how spiritual things are um discerned through the spirit right and so for us
01:32:3901:32:39 - to have that that understanding of Eternal hope and the hope of our Salvation we would say that that future
01:32:4601:32:46 - expectations of of things not yet happening right we say we have a certain expectation that’s the difference
01:32:5301:32:53 - between our Christian hope and the sort of flimsy sort of probabilistic Hope of the world like I hope it doesn’t rain
01:33:0001:33:00 - tomorrow is very different than I hope I will be resurrected on the last day because we have certain knowledge in the
01:33:0801:33:08 - promises of God it’s a different concept entirely right um and uh I don’t actually think there’s a different word
01:33:1401:33:14 - in Greek sometimes uh uh different languages have more or less precise language for things um as in in English
01:33:2201:33:22 - and Greek alike I believe we’re using the same word to mean kind of both sort of like things that that we kind of
01:33:2901:33:29 - might come about but aren’t certain and this certain expectation of future things that’s what we mean when we talk
01:33:3501:33:35 - about Christian hope but for us to properly metabolize this kind of the point we can only do that through the
01:33:4301:33:43 - quickening of our sight empowered by the indwelling Holy Spirit otherwise we have no ability to kind of understand what
01:33:5101:33:51 - this future expectation means the spirit also Comforts us um you know we we can rest in him it’s a good way of thinking
01:33:5901:33:59 - about it right and one final note that I thought about helping explain this hope is that the holy spirit is the Seal of
01:34:0601:34:06 - our Salvation um just how they they is used to be a really big deal in Antiquity uh you know before we had
01:34:1201:34:12 - email addresses and what have you is how do you know that the letter is from the person that it says it’s from right they
01:34:2001:34:20 - would have these these wax seals that they would press with um a stamp you know a bearing a perhaps a particular
01:34:2901:34:29 - symbol or pattern um and this was sort of a symbol of authenticity a proof of you know the uh the that the the the
01:34:4001:34:40 - contents of the letter were who they were saying there from and things like this but that seal is supposed to be
01:34:4601:34:46 - sealing us for the last day until the time of Resurrection the Holy Spirit when we are indwelt by him um we are
01:34:5501:34:55 - marked out as being um certain recipients of God’s grace right if we are sealed with the Holy Spirit Come the
01:35:0301:35:03 - Resurrection Day we will be resurrected unto eternal life with him he’s the symbol of our salvation of Our Hope
01:35:1101:35:11 - right okay so that’s faith hope and love right as I say I think hope maybe a little bit more of the difficult one
01:35:1701:35:17 - here to kind of wrap our heads around but kind of helps make sense when you understand that all spiritual things
01:35:2201:35:22 - including our understanding of the uh the certain realities to come uh as God’s plan comes to a close in in
01:35:3001:35:30 - creature history we only understand and can really believe those and metabolize them through the power of the spirit
01:35:3601:35:36 - that’s kind of what this one’s getting at um but I pulled up here um found this right before we roll a recording um this
01:35:4201:35:42 - study in the Peter series of ichus talked about imitating Christ so uh the 17th lesson in the Peters episol series
01:35:5001:35:50 - on ichus um actually talks about these three Keystone or Capstone virtues um and the verse reference here actually
01:35:5701:35:57 - comes from 1 Corinthians chapter 13 so this one you will probably recognize like if we go look at this passage um
01:36:0401:36:04 - you’ll probably recognize because it gets read at weddings a lot um this you know like talking about love is you know
01:36:1201:36:12 - all these things and love is patient and kind it’s not envy or boast it’s not arrogant or rude um does not insist on
01:36:1901:36:19 - its own Ray is not irritable or resentful all of these things you know love shares all things believes all
01:36:2401:36:24 - things hopes all things endures all things um all of these things commonly read like I said at weddings but in this
01:36:3201:36:32 - particular passage um Paul mentions three things actually he talks about faith hope and love and of these three
01:36:3901:36:39 - the greatest of these is love right that is what should characterize our lives and our walks as Christians um you know
01:36:4501:36:45 - to love in the same way that God loves us and sent his son uh to come down and live a perfect life and die for our sins
01:36:5301:36:53 - um you know first John chapter 4 talks about love as well but the point here is that all three of these virtues sort of
01:37:0101:37:01 - help us structure our life as Christians and so uh Faith um so I’m not going to read these paragraphs I do encourage
01:37:0801:37:08 - people to go find this this part of the study I think it helps cast light on why we think about these three virtues kind
01:37:1501:37:15 - of what what the significance of them in is but um we we have faith in Jesus Christ we hope into our eternal
01:37:2301:37:23 - salvation empowered by the eyesight um the quickening of our of our discernment through the Holy Spirit right and again
01:37:3201:37:32 - this is not an empty dream but of a reality unseen a certain expectation of things to come um and then our love um
01:37:4301:37:43 - comes through the outpouring and emulation of God’s love for us right so we love others because God first loved
01:37:5101:37:51 - us showing that love in sending his son to die for our sins upon the cross um so there’s more we could say here um but
01:37:5901:37:59 - I’m just going to go ahead and read uh this sort of not summary but uh uh this this phrasing of this right so uh in
01:38:0701:38:07 - this study in Peter in uh the 17th lesson here Dr Lille says that Faith focuses upon the trustworthiness of God
01:38:1401:38:14 - in faith we follow him because we trust him and we see this through Jesus Christ hope focuses on the Promises God has
01:38:2001:38:20 - made to us made understandable To Us by the holy spirit so we endure this life with joy because we have been promised a
01:38:2701:38:27 - far better one forever in eternity and then love appreciates what God put the father in parenthesis here what God the
01:38:3601:38:36 - father has done for us in sending Jesus Christ and reflects that gratitude to others we serve him and his church in
01:38:4201:38:42 - love because he first loved us so that’s sort of the idea behind how we we map out our lives as Christians living in
01:38:5001:38:50 - these virtues of faith hope and love uh kind of emul Ting the father The Father’s Love in that he sent his son
01:38:5701:38:57 - for us while we were yet sinners emulating the son um because we see him and we have faith in him he’s the one
01:39:0401:39:04 - who guides our belief because of what he did for us and then we hope towards our Eternal future through the power of the
01:39:1201:39:12 - holy spirit so Audi you have points to add to all of this yeah um I think it’s just one thing
01:39:2001:39:20 - really um the disposition is that there are really
01:39:2701:39:27 - three um I don’t know what what to call them polls I don’t think p is actually the
01:39:3301:39:33 - word but three things that we are called to as Christians in other
01:39:3901:39:39 - words if if if you could think of the Christian walk as a video game there are three
01:39:4701:39:47 - levels and uh attain beating those levels getting to those levels is kind of like rounding
01:39:5601:39:56 - out your walk so he matches um Professor Robert matches his levels to faith hope and love and is it like the the crowns
01:40:0601:40:06 - um you know of course yes but I I didn’t want to come right out of the gate of the crowns okay right right right each
01:40:1401:40:14 - each of those crowns matches to those levels so if you master the business of faith for example you win the crown of
01:40:2101:40:21 - righteousness you master the um level so to speak of Hope then you win the crown of life you beat the level
01:40:3001:40:30 - of love you win the crown of Glory that’s how they are matched so the the the idea here is this that Christianity
01:40:3701:40:37 - calls us to these three things they’re in fact sort of how we are supposed to understand the Christian calling these
01:40:4501:40:45 - three things are the the explanation or the embodiment in the three of them we come to understand what a Christian is
01:40:5501:40:55 - and what a Christian is called to so um when when when we see then this uh business
01:41:0501:41:05 - of uh the father demonstrating Love To Us by sending Christ who is the object of our faith and uh you know the hope
01:41:1701:41:17 - that the spirit himself um enables us to hold on to these things are speaking to what the Christian walk really is about
01:41:2801:41:28 - on the one hand we see in this world full of pain and trouble and whatnot that we are called to something and we
01:41:3901:41:39 - have access to something because God loves us enough to open that possibility for us he does not abandon us to
01:41:4801:41:48 - our insanity and our misery he does not abandon us to that so he demonstrates that Love To Us by giving us the gift of
01:41:5701:41:57 - Jesus Christ and Jesus Christ becomes the anchor for our faith we can hold on to him in confidence that this love that
01:42:0801:42:08 - God is showing to us through him will result in the promises the actualization of the promises that the holy spirit is
01:42:1801:42:18 - a taste of so to speak so again like I said coming to appreciate
01:42:2701:42:27 - how God works in realizing the plan that he has set out for us serves to encourage us in our walk of faith in
01:42:3801:42:38 - this world consider that the Hope thing that you’ve talked about for so long now is critical and that is why I sometimes
01:42:4601:42:46 - don’t quite I won’t say I don’t understand but I kind of pity those believers who do not look up who who are
01:42:5401:42:54 - caught in the issues of this world and think that somehow our our job is to make the world a more delightful place
01:43:0001:43:00 - to live in it’s like you miss the things that God is actually calling you to the better things that he has prepared for
01:43:0801:43:08 - example you can never make the Millennium the Millennium is a gift that the Lord is going to give to us when
01:43:1401:43:14 - Jesus Christ comes back and conquers the world takes over the rule what he will do then we will never be able to do
01:43:2201:43:22 - however hard we tried we cannot change this world from an arid Wasteland into the Garden of Eden like Jesus is
01:43:3101:43:31 - going to do we’re never going to make animals become very friendly toward each other we will witness lions and wolves
01:43:4001:43:40 - consume sheep and the like until we die that’s what’s going to keep happening when the Lord Jesus returns Everything
01:43:5001:43:50 - Will Change now that’s a promise that he makes to us and the Millennium is not even the it’s not even close to being
01:43:5601:43:56 - the best that the Lord calls us to we are also presented with the hope of Eternity the Eternal State a perfect
01:44:0601:44:06 - Universe where there is absolutely nothing on toward nothing unrighteous we we have them promised a
01:44:1201:44:12 - resurrection body which does not have a sin nature no impetus no no impulse to sin against the Lord I don’t know how
01:44:1901:44:19 - many people would not be relieved by the end of this fight that this constant fight we have with ourselves to do the
01:44:2801:44:28 - right thing which we know we should do which we want to do but which we frequently don’t do so these are these
01:44:3701:44:37 - are things that we we we place our Hope on that we will come to these things eventually and the Holy Spirit is the
01:44:4501:44:45 - one who assures us that it’s going to be the case that we will realize or we will have these these promises realized in
01:44:5501:44:55 - our experience and Jesus Christ and his work everything we learn about him is supposed to empower our
01:45:0301:45:03 - confidence encourage us to continue to maintain the confidence that this this hope this hope that we have the promises
01:45:1101:45:11 - we have been given will be brought to life so again my my my my contribution is that we we remember that this work
01:45:2201:45:22 - that we have been called to is made possible by the fact that the Trinity is so intimately connected with it in this
01:45:2901:45:29 - way the father has made this work possible by demonstrating his love to us giving us Jesus Christ who has become
01:45:3601:45:36 - the object of our of our faith we can look to him just as um Hebrews 12 verse um verse one tells us as we look to him
01:45:4801:45:48 - we are being also made into the same image this is where Corinthians 3 comes in and being made into the same image as
01:45:5701:45:57 - him guarantees to us the hope that the holy spirit is encouraging us or empowering us to hold on to in a world
01:46:0601:46:06 - full of disappointment and futility yeah that’s uh that’s what I think I can say yeah I agree completely
01:46:1501:46:15 - and I should say that our hope is a natural outflowing of the faith that we have if we really believe that Jesus Jus
01:46:2301:46:23 - died for us and paid for all sin and conquered death on the cross hope is natural right so these
01:46:3001:46:30 - things are not separable boxes but they’re all related um and this is something I think I about the right way
01:46:3601:46:36 - to say it but hope is completely logical you know how I don’t know if you’ve ever come across this but um uh Carl Marx is
01:46:4501:46:45 - famous for calling religion Christianity specifically the opiate of the masses I don’t know if you ever heard this um and
01:46:5301:46:53 - uh there’s another pretty famous writer coming out of the Soviet period um his name is George Orwell you know he’s
01:47:0001:47:00 - famous for writing the book 1984 he also wrote something called Animal Farm where one of the characters not to get too far
01:47:0701:47:07 - into the details basically presents religion as this fantasy Utopia that couldn’t possibly exist it’s just it’s
01:47:1501:47:15 - something that people just want to believe right it’ be nice to the world we’re actually like this but you know
01:47:2001:47:20 - it’s just a bunch of people who uh it’s unrealistic fantasy right well the hope that we have as Believers what I’m
01:47:2801:47:28 - trying to contrast there is that it is actually 100% rational to have joy and hope for the Eternal things that God
01:47:3801:47:38 - promises us if we actually have faith in Jesus Christ and in what God has done for us because if we have faith and we
01:47:4601:47:46 - actually believe it well we know that God has already told us if we believe in the promises of God We Trust God’s
01:47:5201:47:52 - character character the demonstration of his love that he sent to us what Jesus did for us on the cross if we actually
01:47:5801:47:58 - believe that then in fact it’s irrational not to be joyful and have blessed expectation of things to come
01:48:0601:48:06 - that doesn’t mean that it will be easy but my point is the hard bit is actually believing in not that hope is somehow
01:48:1201:48:12 - like I don’t know that people it’s kind of easy to get stuck down here in the mud and and the struggle and the fight
01:48:1901:48:19 - like AI said and to lose sight of that but the whole point is is that if we really believe what God has done for us
01:48:2601:48:26 - it is natural for us to have that expectation of God’s promises coming to full fruition uh in the Millennium in
01:48:3501:48:35 - eternity where truly this world will be set to rights in a way that it just cannot be until them so all of these
01:48:4201:48:42 - things feed into each other as AI has has has put well all of these things are that that demonstrations of God’s
01:48:4901:48:49 - intimate connection to the plan that he’s working out for us here um and I do think that this sentiment that we have
01:48:5801:48:58 - of of these things coming together um these Capstone virtues I did find that um the the that’s actually Peter chapter
01:49:0601:49:06 - 18 talks about you know the crown of righteousness life and Glory corresponding to these virtues of um uh
01:49:1401:49:14 - faith hope and love well this is what we work towards as we work out our faith in this world um so we have a a couple more
01:49:2301:49:23 - here to go but we are giving it that sense of of even on top of Salvation even after we’ve been saved the spirit
01:49:3001:49:30 - has made us new people we’ve been regenerated through the power of God we’re not done yet this is one of those
01:49:3601:49:36 - ways in which we continually move forward in the Christian Life through the power of God right God’s plan for us
01:49:4201:49:42 - as individuals um that’s what we’ve been going through God’s uh Trinity roles as demonstrated in God’s plan for human
01:49:4901:49:49 - history right and this is specifically God’s plan for us as human beings you know individuals
01:49:5501:49:55 - composing the human population so that’s where we’ll cut for this one
01:50:0201:50:02 - and we only have a couple more left here so before we get to those just say that you can see here that we are now in this
01:50:0901:50:09 - section talking about you know after we become Believers after the Holy Spirit has given us a new heart we still walk
01:50:1701:50:17 - through this life right we ought to demonstrate these virtues we have spiritual gifts what we’re going to talk
01:50:2301:50:23 - about next uh we pray in the faith um as Believers that’s part of our our job and our responsibility these are things that
01:50:3001:50:30 - we do as Believers um past step one right I’m just going to keep emphasizing that because it’s important for us to
01:50:3801:50:38 - keep that in mind um that all of these things we build on top of that Foundation that we start with when we
01:50:4401:50:44 - have our initial belief so now we’re going to be talking about the Trinity role roles as it
01:50:5301:50:53 - relates to spiritual gifts for us as Believers so um we kind of talked this last section about the virtues that we
01:51:0201:51:02 - are to live our lives by as Christians but one of the things that we are supposed to do after we have been saved
01:51:1101:51:11 - and after we have grown to maturity is to fulfill the Ministries that have been assigned to us by God and within the
01:51:1901:51:19 - division of labor of the trinity in the they have adopted the spiritual gifts themselves are given by the spirit so we
01:51:2801:51:28 - might say through the power of the Holy Spirit the specific Ministries that we are assigned are given to us by the son
01:51:3701:51:37 - and we can only carry these out under the power of the spiritual gifts given to us by the spirit as in we cannot do
01:51:4501:51:45 - these things on our own power or our own authority uh because we have been delegated power and authority from God
01:51:5301:51:53 - and then finally the specific effects of our Ministries are decreed by the father and so that means that the way in which
01:52:0101:52:01 - our efforts in a spiritual sense so the things that we do to help support the church or help support the teaching of
01:52:1001:52:10 - the word of God or help our brothers and sisters in material need all of those things how they are used how they
01:52:1701:52:17 - integrate with all of the efforts of the other thousands millions and billions of believers across the world that is
01:52:2501:52:25 - determined by God the father in his perfect plan that takes everything into account and has for ordained the best
01:52:3301:52:33 - possible outcome for knowing all of our choices before we make them and so the passage that talks about what we are
01:52:4201:52:42 - discussing here the um the roles of the trinity in the spiritual gifts and how our spiritual gifts function comes in 1
01:52:5001:52:50 - Corinthians chapter 12 which is that that chapter that talks about the body of Christ and so in verse four it says
01:52:5701:52:57 - that we have a variety of gifts but the same spirit so the spiritual gifts come from the power of the indwelling Holy
01:53:0401:53:04 - Spirit there’s a variety of Ministries but the same Lord that’s Jesus Christ assigning us the thing the task that we
01:53:1201:53:12 - are to do as our commanding officer and then there are variety then there are varieties of effects but the same God
01:53:1901:53:19 - who works all things and all persons and that is the father perfectly incorporating what we do in our service
01:53:2701:53:27 - to the body of Christ into his plan for how things work out in the world uh taking everything into account and
01:53:3401:53:34 - making sure that everything fits together to fulfill the purposes uh that will stand eternally so these are how
01:53:4301:53:43 - the roles of the Trinity function in the spiritual gifts of the believer and I guess just one last thing to say is that
01:53:5101:53:51 - all Believers have spiritual gifts this isn’t just something for maybe we would think pastors or missionaries or
01:53:5801:53:58 - something like that all of us have a role to play in the plan of God here um and so this applies to everyone in the
01:54:0701:54:07 - body of Christ equally now we are called to different things but that we need to fulfill our Ministries as Christians is
01:54:1401:54:14 - a universal across all people in the church aie do you have uh more points to Riff on with regards to this
01:54:2301:54:23 - uh I guess not not really I don’t think I have much to say about it um I think I think you made the the uh distinctions
01:54:3501:54:35 - quite clearly or at least you made you made it clear exactly how the Trinity is operating in this um the the the
01:54:4401:54:44 - perspective from which I have continue to come is always that we see that this is all the Lord
01:54:5301:54:53 - investing in this whole thing so it’s not just that we are uh how shall I put it for example
01:55:0101:55:01 - when we’re talking about fulfilling our ministry in this life we we essentially think it’s all about what we choose to
01:55:0801:55:08 - do and we we feel like we have this huge burden of responsibility which we we should be conscious of the fact that
01:55:1401:55:14 - it’s a huge responsibility but on the other hand it is the Lord working all of this out the spirit is giving us spec
01:55:2201:55:22 - special spiritual abilities to do certain things and the Lord Jesus is not leaving us to just figure out what we
01:55:2901:55:29 - want to do with these abilities but specifically assigning us roles to play in the church and then we don’t just
01:55:3701:55:37 - play those roles and hope for the best nor do we play those roles and seek to produce certain effects there are
01:55:4501:55:45 - effects that will be assigned to what we do by the father himself so it you could see all the bases are covered is the
01:55:5401:55:54 - important thing it’s the critical thing how the how the Trinity is so invested in realizing this that nothing has been
01:56:0101:56:01 - left to chance and of course if anything was left to chance it wouldn’t happen at all and we haven’t been left to carry
01:56:0601:56:06 - all the burden by ourselves we are seeing that in all of this the Trinity is fully 100% invested so and I do think
01:56:1601:56:16 - actually now that you mention it the specific effects bit this can be really important for us to understand
01:56:2201:56:22 - that it’s not all on us the reception to what we say maybe people don’t believe um if you’ve read some of the Old
01:56:3201:56:32 - Testament prophets uh Jeremiah or some of the the prophets who were not warmly received by the people of Israel this is
01:56:4001:56:40 - what we mean by specific effects so you can have the best of intentions and go about your ministry diligently and that
01:56:4901:56:49 - doesn’t mean that people will listen and the amount of reception you have whether it’s lukewarm or people are really
01:56:5601:56:56 - excited or you’re ignored completely that is within the hands of the father um and no matter how we feel
01:57:0501:57:05 - in the matter we need to trust that God knows what he’s doing and so none of this is a mistake none of this is left
01:57:1401:57:14 - up to chance as Audie said now of course that doesn’t mean that it’s always easy for us to figure out you know what our
01:57:2001:57:20 - gifts are much less what Ministries are much less what we should think about the effect of our
01:57:2601:57:26 - Ministries we have a great deal of blindness due to our limited perspective as humans but regardless all three
01:57:3401:57:34 - members of the Trinity play this this part together to bring about the church building itself up in love everything
01:57:4201:57:42 - goes through the truth um Ephesians chapter 4 is a good cross reference uh for the the church building itself up in
01:57:4901:57:49 - love through the truth but spiritual gift play this important part in God’s plan
01:57:5501:57:55 - being worked out in the world in as much as we are the hands and feet of God in the world like that analogy in 1
01:58:0201:58:02 - Corinthians chapter 12 talks about so the last main thing we’re going to be talking about Trinity roles with
01:58:1301:58:13 - as it pertains to the plan of God being worked out is how our prayers uh are answered by the Trinity and how the
01:58:2101:58:21 - mechanics of this is sort of tied up in the roles that the members of the Trinity adopt so when we are told to
01:58:2901:58:29 - pray we are supposed to pray to the father and a cross reference from this comes in Matthew chapter 6 this is Jesus
01:58:3701:58:37 - uh telling us that we need to not pray on the street corners to be seen but we should pray in secret uh
01:58:4601:58:46 - earnestly lifting up our requests to the father um and the reason why this verse is quot in support of this point is
01:58:5301:58:53 - because well it makes it very clear that we are actually praying to the father um as opposed to Jesus Christ or the holy
01:59:0001:59:00 - spirit so he is the one generally speaking to whom we offer our prayers uh in the analogy that we used before when
01:59:0801:59:08 - we were explaining the Trinity roles a bit we mentioned how the father is kind of like the king he’s the one bearing
01:59:1501:59:15 - the authority of the godhead and the son is sort of like the Crown Prince or the advocate for us of the people he’s sort
01:59:2401:59:24 - of the intermediary the bridge between a God who is sort of far away in this position of authority that is uh sort of
01:59:3201:59:32 - unreachable by us and the Sun is the person who intercedes on our behalf um the visible one and so that is why um
01:59:4001:59:40 - you know as we talked about then while we’re pulling that back in now that’s why we pray in the name of the son
01:59:4601:59:46 - through what Jesus did on the cross we have access to the throne room of God through his blood that is how we might
01:59:5301:59:53 - phrase this and so uh this cross reference from John chapter 15 here uh coming about this uh
02:00:0202:00:02 - uh about the the same place that we talk about the analogy of the vine and the branches for us as Christians people
02:00:0902:00:09 - bearing fruit connecting uh ourselves to the vine of Christ and abiding in Christ uh well that is kind of the context of
02:00:1902:00:19 - this passage but it makes it clear that whatever we ask of the father in my name as in in the name of Jesus he may
02:00:2902:00:29 - give to us now of course we have to be praying within his will and so we don’t get to ask for anything and just attack
02:00:3502:00:35 - Jesus’s name on the end and say okay God give it to me you see I I uttered the magic words that’s not what we mean by
02:00:4102:00:41 - this but we mean that we understand that we have access to uh the throne room of God uh with Jesus Christ as our Advocate
02:00:5002:00:50 - because of what he did for us like that’s the mechanics of it we are allowed to present ourselves before the
02:00:5702:00:57 - father to lift up our requests before the father only because the son purchased access for us so to speak um
02:01:0402:01:04 - not that God wanted to condemn us and was just sitting there waiting for an excuse but this is the plan that God has
02:01:0902:01:09 - architected to make it so that sinful Humanity has access to that Throne I me it didn’t just happen it wasn’t like
02:01:1702:01:17 - Jesus was the one who did it and the father has been cold in aloof he was the one who sent the son but the point is we
02:01:2302:01:23 - have access to ask the father for our requests in prayer through what Jesus did for us and finally we kind of have
02:01:3202:01:32 - the ability to to do this you know our connection with God is mediated through the indwelling Holy Spirit we’ve talked
02:01:3902:01:39 - about this before as it pertains to spiritual baptism when we have this this process of regeneration when we put off
02:01:4802:01:48 - the old man and become indwelt by the Holy Spirit that’s kind of the connection we have to God with the Holy
02:01:5402:01:54 - Spirit indwelling us giving us eyes to see spiritual things well we pray through the power of the spirit um and
02:02:0302:02:03 - so example verse reference for this one Ephesians chapter 6 verse 18 talks about um us with all prayer and petition
02:02:1102:02:11 - praying at all times in the spirit and uh you know it’s not a complicated phenomenon here we know that whatever we
02:02:1902:02:19 - do positively in the spirit in sorry the Christian Life we do through the power of the spirit so when we work out things
02:02:2602:02:26 - in our Ministries when we love others as we ought it’s not entirely on our own power we do this but we are empowered by
02:02:3302:02:33 - God living within us and so too when we pray and so along the lines of the Trinity roles that we have been talking
02:02:4002:02:40 - about all this time we again see here the father in the position of authority the one to whom the prayers are offered
02:02:4702:02:47 - the son is the one we see the one who has purchased access to the throne room of God for us the one who intercedes on
02:02:5402:02:54 - our behalf the one we kind of keep our eyes on and address and then the spirit is the one who empowers it all behind
02:03:0102:03:01 - the scenes and makes it all possible connecting us to God uh through his indwelling presence in our lives so um I
02:03:0902:03:09 - think just as all the other examples we’ve talked about we can pretty clearly see the rules delineated here um all
02:03:1502:03:15 - three of them choosing to adopt these uh different positions these different things that they do with regard to the
02:03:2202:03:22 - prayers of Believers yet all completely unified in purpose uh to bring about how God wants us to pray uh as members of
02:03:3002:03:30 - his church because he does he commands us to pray it’s something that’s important for us to do uh to fulfill
02:03:3502:03:35 - God’s will in the world for us as Christians so I think that’s most of what I have to say here AI does anything
02:03:4102:03:41 - else jump out at you oh well um one critical thing I suppose is it’s not as if the scriptures
02:03:4902:03:49 - are saying that if you were to pray to the Lord Jesus you’ve done something wrong or if you were to make a request
02:03:5602:03:56 - of the Holy Spirit you have committed some sort of error the thing is that the way that the scriptures put it is more
02:04:0302:04:03 - like this is largely how it works again there’s that overlap the Lord Jesus is himself said if you asking if you ask me
02:04:1202:04:12 - anything in my name I will do it you know so it’s not as if we cannot pray to him
02:04:1902:04:19 - and being how the spirit uh functioned in um uh the days of of the of Israel and what he says in Hebrews chapter 3
02:04:3002:04:30 - and is the Dynamics of walking with him there’s nothing wrong with praying to him either the thing is that largely the
02:04:3802:04:38 - structure of it is that it is the father that we tend to pray to and we’re able to uh make our request this is something
02:04:4802:04:48 - really critical I think that because because of of of the sheer um ignorance of our times the ignorance of
02:04:5902:04:59 - the truth of of biblical truth of our times people take prayer for granted um if I did not
02:05:0802:05:08 - marry my Abby chances are that there would be no circumstances under which I would probably be able to approach her
02:05:1702:05:17 - father to say anything to him he simply is not in my circle
02:05:2402:05:24 - whatsoever so consider that sort of situation if you wanted to make a request of someone like that you
02:05:3102:05:31 - certainly can’t just walk into his office and say whatever you like to him you would need someone who would open
02:05:3802:05:38 - that door to you someone who would essentially say to him for my sake hear him out that’s what the Lord Jesus did
02:05:4602:05:46 - for us when we pray in the name of Jesus it’s there’s nothing wrong by with saying in the name of Jesus I ask for
02:05:5302:05:53 - such and such but do we really understand that what we’re saying is I want you to treat me as if I wear
02:06:0102:06:01 - Jesus in making this request of you and once you understand that this is literally what you’re doing with the
02:06:0902:06:09 - Father the next question you’ll ask yourself is would the Lord Jesus ask for what you’re asking for that’s another
02:06:1602:06:16 - thing it’s kind of our identity as servants we have been delegated this position to act on behalf of Jesus
02:06:2202:06:22 - Christ who’s ouring officer if you want to look at it like that so if you’re in the military let’s use the military
02:06:2802:06:28 - analogy here and your captain tells you okay private go to the Supply Depot and tell the clerk that we need you know
02:06:3702:06:37 - thus and so and you go and you’re gonna say hey my captain sent me you see what I’m saying like we are under his
02:06:4602:06:46 - authority but you can’t attach his name and then ask for things that obviously aren’t going to contribute to the
02:06:5402:06:54 - mission because the person it so I guess the clerk at the Supply Depot isn’t the best analogy for the father someone with
02:07:0002:07:00 - authority okay Congress um but the point here is that when we ask we really are asking like you said attaching ourselves
02:07:1002:07:10 - under the banner of Jesus Christ and what he did for us and so this is one of those reasons why we trying to think
02:07:1702:07:17 - about the right way to say this um it’s not like oh you need to be really careful when you pray because if you
02:07:2202:07:22 - pray wrong God’s going to Smite you or something that’s not what we’re talking about but what we are talking about is
02:07:2902:07:29 - that we need to understand what it is that prayer actually is when we make a request like this H how how closely
02:07:3702:07:37 - bound it is with this understanding of God listens to us only because we are washed clean in the blood of Christ and
02:07:4402:07:44 - so that’s why we shouldn’t attach anything improper to our prayers because how can anything improper
02:07:5202:07:52 - you know be be put before the father alongside the sacrifice of Jesus Christ no matter what we do it’s always going
02:07:5902:07:59 - to be dirty rags compared to the Cross right but the point is we really ought not put selfish requests or Petty things
02:08:0802:08:08 - or just things that obviously when you think about it you know you look at it sideways for even a second you just know
02:08:1402:08:14 - this isn’t the will of God we don’t want to pray those things because it is serious it’s important
02:08:2102:08:21 - stuff when we are asking we are asking in a formal sense in the name of Jesus according to what he has done for
02:08:2902:08:29 - us we need to make sure that we are acting as the servants God wants us to when we pray
02:08:3602:08:36 - too yeah yeah now perhaps someone might ask how do you know what’s proper um I don’t
02:08:4402:08:44 - know if you’ve wondered this and we could easily get off topic here but I shall keep it short if you wonder God I
02:08:5002:08:50 - don’t I don’t know how you’re working in this this situation what should I even pray um that’s kind of where the Holy
02:08:5602:08:56 - Spirit comes in right uh we are not uh expected to always know exactly what God’s will is so that we might pray
02:09:0402:09:04 - for it it is perfectly acceptable to say I trust you God I don’t know how you are working in this situation but I know
02:09:1202:09:12 - that you will you will have your your ends mat your purposes and goals completed and I just pray that the
02:09:2002:09:20 - outcome that is your will would come about and that you would give us Grace and peace in it to accept your will
02:09:2602:09:26 - understand have faith you know things like that well the spirit translates that for us we don’t have to have it all
02:09:3302:09:33 - figured out um and so that’s kind of where his support role comes in um this passage I know we we’ve brought this one
02:09:3902:09:39 - up I think a fair bit since we’ve been talking about here the role of the spirit in Romans chapter 8 um he is said
02:09:4602:09:46 - to intercede for us um you know we brought this up among other reasons uh because because it it obviously shows
02:09:5302:09:53 - that the spirit is a person not some sort of inpersonal force uh but this is the support role so he is a critical and
02:10:0102:10:01 - important part of this process as well especially making up for kind of our our limits and our our uh you know
02:10:0902:10:09 - insufficiency as human beings approaching god um the spirit is the one who gives us that that
02:10:1502:10:15 - connection yeah yeah all right well I think that is the
02:10:2102:10:21 - last of our main sections so we’re going to close off by talking about the caveats to kind of everything that we’ve
02:10:2802:10:28 - gone through here so the last thing we’re going to do before we close out uh this this section
02:10:3702:10:37 - we’ve been going through about the Trinity roles as demonstrated in God’s plan for human history and how he works
02:10:4402:10:44 - it out in all of these different ways we’ve been going through is we’re going to be talking a little bit about some of
02:10:4902:10:49 - the caveats here uh ways in which we just need to be careful when discussing these things to make sure that we are
02:10:5602:10:56 - just being uh uh accurate in how we handle the roles as God works in not in the world so we don’t put God into a box
02:11:0502:11:05 - more or less or we don’t try to confine each role and say well they they can’t do that you know it’s not you know it’s
02:11:1202:11:12 - not possible or whatever we are obviously very finite beings and we don’t understand God much less concept
02:11:2002:11:20 - just like eternity or Infinity um and so the point here is that all these examples we’ve been going through are
02:11:2802:11:28 - trying to help us explain and expound upon the doctrine of the Trinity as the Bible reveals it so we want to make sure
02:11:3402:11:34 - that the basis for our belief and our teaching on this subject is coming straight from scripture we aren’t making
02:11:4102:11:41 - up Doctrine we’re not trying to build these complicated philosophical systems and what have you we are just trying to
02:11:4802:11:48 - ascertain what it is the Bible says and teaches but the caveat here is that the division of labor that suggested by the
02:11:5602:11:56 - roles in the Bible is not necessarily meant to be strict in all cases and strict I would say in terms of a
02:12:0302:12:03 - scientific accounting of things or uh you know coloring Outside the Lines we might say in most of these and other
02:12:1102:12:11 - joint actions of the Trinity there’s overlap and further subdivision of responsibilities which is often only
02:12:1702:12:17 - hinted at in scripture so if we have the least bit of humility we ought to understand that that like the Bible is
02:12:2402:12:24 - not exhaustive in outlining exactly how the three members of the Trinity divide labor in everything that God does in the
02:12:3202:12:32 - world because there’s an awful lot that God does in the world um you know in fact if everything that Jesus did were
02:12:3802:12:38 - to be written down as said at the end of John’s gospel the world would not be able to contain it well how much more so
02:12:4402:12:44 - God in three persons everything that God does in the world like we’re we’re not going to see at all it is impossible and
02:12:5302:12:53 - so like I as I say if we have the least bit humility that ought to be obvious but in all these joint actions of the
02:12:5902:12:59 - trinity in their United purpose there’s overlap and further subdivision so when we talk about the father being
02:13:0502:13:05 - identified with love in that he sent the son to die for our sins while we were yet sinners it’s true that the father’s
02:13:1302:13:13 - decision to send the son you know as the one with authority positionally putting him in the world to save us was a
02:13:1902:13:19 - decision that showcases love magnified but the son loved us enough to die for us and the spirit loved us enough to
02:13:2702:13:27 - make that sacrifice possible so it’s not like the Son and the spirit don’t love us or can’t be identified with love and
02:13:3402:13:34 - so too with the other virtues and I’m kind of talking about this uh this this topic here that we went over and that’s
02:13:4102:13:41 - true in a whole bunch of things as well so you know the effects of the Ministries are decreed by the father in
02:13:4602:13:46 - his plan but the Ministries that were given are assigned by the son but you know he knows our talents and aptitudes
02:13:5202:13:52 - so he he’ll give us Ministries that bring about the effects decreed by the father like it’s all related is what
02:13:5702:13:57 - we’re saying here and so the wrong way to look at this is well the father can’t do that because or the son can’t do that
02:14:0402:14:04 - because or what have you because like I don’t know it violates the principle of fatherhood or you know people try to
02:14:1202:14:12 - build boxes like this and that’s what we’re saying you shouldn’t do in this these analogies because as we’ve said
02:14:1902:14:19 - before you should think in your head uh Trinity role equals analogy right not descriptions of the generation of the
02:14:2702:14:27 - sun we’ve been over that that’s heresy we shouldn’t go there the son is an eternal member of the Trinity how can he
02:14:3302:14:33 - be created um so we are talking about these roles as analogies to help us understand the way in which the members
02:14:4102:14:41 - of the Trinity act in the world and so in this last thing that we were talking about um prayer uh well even though we
02:14:4902:14:49 - almost always address it to the father like that’s the examples we have from the Bible are pretty consistent in this
02:14:5502:14:55 - way Jesus does say um and this is in John chapter 14 that if we ask anything in his name if we ask him anything in
02:15:0202:15:02 - his name he will do it um and so that’s not praying to the father that’s praying to Jesus so we say oh well you see it’s
02:15:1002:15:10 - not like a contradiction or anything and um you know we actually talked about this off the recording just a little bit
02:15:1402:15:14 - ago um you know we can pray to any member of the Trinity and we should not let this in the way of us praying out of
02:15:2202:15:22 - fear of praying wrong the point is is is that like there there aren’t lines here so strong that it is indefensible for us
02:15:3202:15:32 - to ever address the son in prayer as our commanding officer and our elder brother in the faith as one who understands us
02:15:3802:15:38 - could we never pray to him or include him in our prayers and I mean sometimes I was speaking for myself I just pray to
02:15:4502:15:45 - God and you know God is made up of three persons United in will do we need to specify I mean I think
02:15:5402:15:54 - just getting really focusing on the details here majoring on the minors making the mountains of the mole Hills
02:16:0102:16:01 - is not the right approach to this um uh especially trying to say well this can’t be so because you know this role means
02:16:1002:16:10 - thus and so um the more that we try to force it the more that we aren’t kind of going down the right path here um
02:16:1902:16:19 - another example here so we know that the father as the one in heaven the one with the authoritative plan who is sort of
02:16:2602:16:26 - delegating um the and architecting uh everything that happens so uh there’s this controversy in the early church uh
02:16:3502:16:35 - this you may have heard this has to do with so-called filio Clause it’s a Latin um for and the son when the spirit was
02:16:4202:16:42 - sent was the father the one who sent him or was it the father and the son who sent him um to us I mean in many
02:16:5102:16:51 - practical terms doesn’t matter the spirit was sent uh to us to indwell us but uh this is getting at the idea of
02:16:5902:16:59 - roles again well the son is acting as the one who was sent to us initially on the father’s Authority so it’s perfectly
02:17:0702:17:07 - acceptable for him to send the spirit as a representative of the father but the father is the one in Authority who you
02:17:1402:17:14 - know has this plan and so you know he can send the spirit as the one sort of uh pointing and structuring the foran on
02:17:2102:17:21 - a construction site right um so both are right you know the issue turns on the father’s role as possessing original
02:17:3002:17:30 - Authority and the son’s role receiving delegated authority as God’s messenger in the world the representative if you
02:17:3602:17:36 - will but again both of these things only deal with adopted roles as in they are not inherently by Nature limitations
02:17:4502:17:45 - upon the members of the Trinity and so the point in all this is that we just need to be careful to restrict ourselves
02:17:5202:17:52 - to learning what the Bible actually teaches us you know the roles as God tends to organize um our understanding
02:18:0202:18:02 - of him through these analogies in scripture and we should not build dispositive doctrinal principles and
02:18:0802:18:08 - it’s kind of a big word but uh it means things like basically that are purporting to settle a matter for all
02:18:1502:18:15 - time basically pretending like we know exactly what all this means when we don’t because we’re small and finite and
02:18:2102:18:21 - human um solely on deductions steming from what the rules might mean um so I it it’s not said in the Bible but it’s
02:18:3002:18:30 - something that we say well based on the nature of fathers I think so and so like that’s when we’re getting off in the
02:18:3502:18:35 - weeds um because the thing that should be clear to us from everything that we get in the Bible all the examples that
02:18:4202:18:42 - we’ve been going over here is that the members of the Trinity are undeniably one in their unity and purpose so all of
02:18:4902:18:49 - these things that we’ve been going over so you know like you know the creation of the world the plan of God the
02:18:5502:18:55 - revelation of the word the Advent of Christ what that means for us in terms of about salvation the reconciliation of
02:19:0002:19:00 - the believer you know I could go on and on and on everything that we’ve talked about in this particular lesson all of
02:19:0602:19:06 - these things the members of the Trinity are united they have a purpose in this and so just because the father acts in
02:19:1402:19:14 - this way and the son acts in this way where those lines are how they intersect with each other um where the boundaries
02:19:2002:19:20 - are are they’re all God all of this is being worked out for our good and we’re supposed to help um we are supposed to
02:19:2802:19:28 - understand them like these analogies were given to us in the Bible to help us make sense of where those
02:19:3402:19:34 - responsibilities are within the in the trinity in the roles they’ve adopted but again as we’ve been saying they’re
02:19:4002:19:40 - analogies we don’t get to push it past what is there and so they’re just supposed to help us organize um in a
02:19:4802:19:48 - wider sense of scale how it is that the roles in the Trinity work that’s all there is to it and so that’s really no
02:19:5402:19:54 - more than the point we’re making here is that if you are ever tempted to push something and and um what’s the right
02:20:0202:20:02 - way to phrase this like try to say it has to be thus and so because of XYZ chain of logical deductions you’re
02:20:0902:20:09 - probably pushing it too far that’s just kind of the rule of a thumb that I think we would want to adopt here so a you
02:20:1602:20:16 - have any points that you want to cover more uh in this kind of warning section of of where the bounds
02:20:2402:20:24 - are yeah um when it comes to the Trinity what again we’re concerned with is coming to understand why we uh are
02:20:3302:20:33 - signing up on God’s plan the Bible is particularly concerned with telling us this is why God made everything this is
02:20:4202:20:42 - why you are here and um this is what is required or expected of you you and what the Lord is calling you to the
02:20:5302:20:53 - rewards he has uh prepared for those who choose to follow him and all of that stuff now of course when you hear all
02:21:0202:21:02 - the plans and you hear all the promises and all of that bottom line is why should I trust that this is good for me
02:21:1002:21:10 - so the Bible also provides us with some insight into who God is and what he is about so when we are studying the
02:21:1902:21:19 - Trinity it is essentially telling us this is the person behind the plan this is the person making all these promises
02:21:2602:21:26 - and this is why you have any confidence that everything is going to work out the way you have been told it will work out
02:21:3302:21:33 - so when we hear about the roles in the Trinity typically we’re learning two things one is
02:21:4002:21:40 - that um yes God is really three persons he is not just one person wearing different hats that’s one one of the
02:21:5102:21:51 - very important things for example those who keep insisting that God is just one person who has three faces or whatever
02:21:5702:21:57 - it is they like to think have to explain how and and and they say ridiculous things which we have talked about in
02:22:0502:22:05 - this series that God sent himself to die on the cross and they say things like at the
02:22:1602:22:16 - baptism of Jesus Christ it was God the Father who spoke to himself while being baptized and who descended upon himself
02:22:2702:22:27 - in the form of a dove ridiculous things like this but we see with the way that the Bible makes these
02:22:3502:22:35 - delineations while also reminding us that they’re not to be taken as strict because we are supposed to understand
02:22:4302:22:43 - that there are there is quite a bit of overlap in the way that the per the persons of the Trinity um um function
02:22:5202:22:52 - toward the realiz the realization of their plan so what we are seeing in the first place is that there are really
02:23:0002:23:00 - three persons three persons that is just to tell us what God is like and then on the other hand that
02:23:1102:23:11 - this is how thought out how everything has been so accounted for that there has been nothing left to
02:23:1902:23:19 - chance every everything has been taken care of by God himself each person of the Trinity weighing in in some way to
02:23:2702:23:27 - make sure that everything works out the way that God wants it to that’s what we’re supposed to take away from this
02:23:3302:23:33 - once we start to go into anything other than this we get into all sorts of trouble we’re not here to make
02:23:4102:23:41 - theology just like the majority of Scholars so to speak um throughout the the the 2,000 years of church history
02:23:5202:23:52 - seem to think that we were here playing an intellect that the whole point of Christianity is some intellectual game
02:23:5702:23:57 - what we’re trying to build up theories as to what is what that’s not what we’re trying to do here we’re simply taking
02:24:0502:24:05 - what the scriptures say to understand this is who God is and therefore why we can trust that everything will work out
02:24:1102:24:11 - the way that he says that it will and this is how he is working it all out so that we know we can be certain that
02:24:1802:24:18 - nothing has been left to chance everything has been worked out and we can be confident that it will all play
02:24:2302:24:23 - out as we have been promised so um the cavates then are to tell us don’t make more of it than what
02:24:3302:24:33 - we have been told and that’s a worthy cave to me given the history of the of the church visible in the past 2,000
02:24:4102:24:41 - years well I also just think like I said the reason why why do we have these analogies because they help us better
02:24:4702:24:47 - understand God we all have human fathers you know some of them may have been you know better or more lacking than others
02:24:5402:24:54 - but we have this framework to fit the idea of fatherhood into it helps us understand God same deal with the idea
02:25:0202:25:02 - of sunship you know and The Heirs if you will you know specifically sons of kings and that sort of thing and you know
02:25:1302:25:13 - empowering forces like the wind we have ways in which we can help we can better understand God we can anori him or we
02:25:2102:25:21 - can ascribe these characteristics to him through these loose General analogies that help us better fit an infinite
02:25:2802:25:28 - Eternal being into our limited Minds that’s all this is um so as we’ve been saying just don’t make more out of it
02:25:3602:25:36 - than than what it is um and it’s really no more and no less than that um
02:25:4402:25:44 - yeah yeah all right well this has been quite the section um we’ll go over in a sec all the things we talked about but
02:25:5302:25:53 - giving us this deeper understanding of the Trinity roles in all that God does for us as he works throughout
02:26:0302:26:03 - history so we’re going to go back through everything we’ve talked about since this has been kind of a long one
02:26:0902:26:09 - here this lesson everything that we’ve gone through um all of these examples that we went through again emphasizing
02:26:1402:26:14 - that this is not the only things that God does in the world as it relates to his plan so a non-ex exhaustive list
02:26:2102:26:21 - what we said here um so we talked about the plan of God generally how the members of the Trinity are all involved
02:26:2902:26:29 - in the working out of the plan of God in human history talked about creation the revelation of the word Christ’s first
02:26:3802:26:38 - Advent the victory of Salvation the reconciliation of the believer regeneration of the believer and then we
02:26:4402:26:44 - spent some time talking about these things that we do after we are saved right so it’s not just
02:26:5002:26:50 - up until the point that we choose for God and we become part of his family then we have to walk on our pilgrimage
02:26:5702:26:57 - to Zion uh we have these virtues that we’re supposed to live by faith hope and love we have spiritual gifts we have
02:27:0402:27:04 - jobs that have been assigned to us uh with effects that the father has ordained to work out his will in the
02:27:1102:27:11 - world and then we’re supposed to pray as Believers this is an important part of our walk with god um you know praying
02:27:1702:27:17 - for other people in the church and just the world generally it helps connect us to God but we do that again um as it
02:27:2402:27:24 - relates to different roles in the Trinity understanding who they are and what they represent in God’s plan for us
02:27:3102:27:31 - so not going to overly belabor all the points here but the overview takeaway is that in all of these things we said so
02:27:3802:27:38 - let me see 1 2 3 four five 6 Seven 8 9 10 11 different points here that we’ve been through we have seen time and again
02:27:4702:27:47 - that the father and the son and the spirit all have these parts that they play in every single facet of God’s plan
02:27:5602:27:56 - for reconciling us to him both on an individual level and a corporate level um in every single part of this plan all
02:28:0402:28:04 - three members of the Trinity are united in bringing about the effects that God wishes in the world so for example in
02:28:1202:28:12 - reconciling us to him in giving us this opportunity to um be covered in the blood of Christ so that we might spend
02:28:1902:28:19 - ET eternity with him in perfect fellowship with God and one another well all three members of the Trinity play
02:28:2702:28:27 - critical roles in bringing that about and they are in perfect unity in none of these things uh does one member of the
02:28:3402:28:34 - Trinity want to do one thing and another one of the Trinity want to do another there is no conflict they have adopted
02:28:4002:28:40 - these roles that we’ve been talking about of the father and the son and the spirit as the empowering wind if you
02:28:4702:28:47 - will um these roles that we were discussing for the sake of bringing all these things about but they do so in
02:28:5302:28:53 - perfect Unity um and that is just the main takeaway here and so that’s why when we read about some of the caveats
02:29:0002:29:00 - that we have about uh you know basically why in all of this we shouldn’t get it through our heads that God can’t do this
02:29:0902:29:09 - or that it’s because we are just trying to better understand him using the analogies he’s given us in the Bible and
02:29:1602:29:16 - so hopefully all of this discussion that we’ve had in this section has helped make it clear to us um just a little bit
02:29:2202:29:22 - more depth how all of the roles work out in all these facets of God’s plan throughout human history and so in the
02:29:3002:29:30 - next lesson we are going to be talking about the trinity in the Old Testament so as opposed to just kind of The Wider
02:29:3702:29:37 - scale of human history that we were talking about here in all of God’s plans for us as human beings we’re going to be
02:29:4202:29:42 - looking at um how the Trinity was present even in the Old Testament um and so there is this passage uh in the New
02:29:5002:29:50 - Testament where Jesus is walking on the road to Emmas with people and he explains how the Bible spoke of him you
02:29:5702:29:57 - know and then they don’t recognize him until he breaks bread and then their eyes are opened but if you’ve ever
02:30:0102:30:01 - wondered what exactly was it that Jesus talked to them about during that time well that’s sort of I I we can’t promise
02:30:0902:30:09 - that we have everything that Jesus because we don’t have that recorded for us in the Bible but we’re going to take
02:30:1302:30:13 - a stab and talking about how we see the Trinity um uh maybe a little bit through a veil but we still see it present there
02:30:2002:30:20 - reflecting the reality of it even in the Old Testament so that’s what the next lesson will be focused on