How Does the Concept of Resuscitation Affect the Afterlife?

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00:0000:00 - hey guys so right now in this lesson we’re going to be talking about how the concept of resuscitation affects the
00:0800:08 - afterlife so to kind of be able to properly explain this one we’re going to have to talk about what the afterlife is
00:1500:15 - normally like for us as Christians so where do Believers go where do unbelievers go what will happen at the
00:2100:21 - end of History before the resurrection things like this so we kind of have a lot of stuff to get out of the way first
00:2800:28 - before we can sort of prop address the question as such so first we’re going to talk about the nature and composition of
00:3500:35 - human beings how we are made of body and spirit and what that means exactly we’re going to talk about types of death so
00:4300:43 - there is physical death there is spiritual death which is separation from God and then there is uh Eternal death
00:5000:50 - also sometimes called the second death and uh specifically here we’re going to be talking about physical death and then
00:5600:56 - we’re going to be defining what exactly that means and so physical death is when someone’s human Spirit departs their
01:0101:01 - physical body and then what happens after someone dies physically well we have to spend some time talking about
01:0801:08 - where people go after they die and so to do that we’re going to have to talk about um so-called Heavenly geography
01:1401:14 - here uh so the third heaven versus Hades versus this world and there’s some subdivisions in what we term Hades also
01:2401:24 - known as sheld or the grave so Abraham’s bosom or Paradise torments the abyss the Lake of Fire we’re going to be going
01:3201:32 - over some terms like this and then we’re going to talk about how things are a little bit different uh before Christ
01:3801:38 - descends which is described in Hebrews chapter 4: 7-10 and how things change after that um and then we’re also going
01:4601:46 - to talk about well where are we going to be in eternity all of this describes quote unquote where people go when they
01:5201:52 - die and so this is all like the normal uh the normal thing um how how things work for people people who die normally
02:0002:00 - and there is no resuscitation that’s a part of their uh afterlife experience and uh before we can even get
02:0702:07 - to that we also still have to talk about how people experience these places before the resurrection so we’re going
02:1402:14 - to introduce uh something called intern bodies uh a teaching that that holds that even before the resurrection uh
02:2102:21 - human beings that have died are not just floating around disembodied as spirits but have these temporary intern bodies
02:2802:28 - uh until they reive their Resurrection bodies like 1 Corinthians chapter 15 talks about and so that will all
02:3502:35 - describe how life after death works in the case that there is no resuscitation and so that’s kind of like all that to
02:4302:43 - lead up to that and then finally we’re just going to have one slide actually that’s going to talk about well what
02:4902:49 - about people who are resuscitated what is different for them and we’re basically going to argue that well
02:5402:54 - nothing is really different for them other than they go backwards once rather than everyone else who only goes
03:0003:00 - forwards in this uh the state transition if you will and so that is what we’re going to be examining here in this
03:1003:10 - lesson so first of all kind of restating this question of what we’re kind of setting out to
03:1603:16 - address we are going to be talking here about how the concept of resuscitation affects the afterlife or the experience
03:2503:25 - that we as Believers might have after we die and so the idea is kind of like where did Lazarus and gyrus daughter go
03:3203:32 - when they died considering they were resuscitated and not resurrected like we will be uh at the end of history but
03:4003:40 - they also kind of didn’t have the normal afterlife experience and so we’re going to be talking about well are things
03:4403:44 - different for people who were resuscitated like this like where did they go in between when they were dead
03:5003:50 - physically and then they came back to life like what happened there and so to do all of that like we just went over in
03:5603:56 - the outline we have to kind of do a lot of things first before we can get there to talk about that situation
04:0504:05 - specifically so as you can see lots of text on this slide this is the first of the background topics we kind of have to
04:1404:14 - talk about to be able to properly discuss the matters at play here so we’re going to be talking about the
04:1904:19 - nature and composition of human beings so human beings are what we are going to term dichotomus that is they are
04:2704:27 - composed of two distinct parts emphasis on two rather than for example one or three and so those two parts that
04:3604:36 - compose human beings are body and spirit there is no third thing and so you might hear that termed in Latin a tertium quid
04:4704:47 - um it’s just a Latin for third thing um but you know that has been used in philosophical discussions about such
04:5404:54 - things um so there is no third thing it is just body and spirit but I should should say that this point is actually
05:0105:01 - pretty widely misunderstood uh because a lot of people think that there is another thing and we would call that
05:0805:08 - Soul people think that it’s Body Spirit and soul not just body and spirit but biblically speaking we don’t have souls
05:1705:17 - we are souls and so that is to say a soul is the combination of body and spirit together that makes us us and so
05:2505:25 - the word that we translate as soul in Hebrew is neph and in Greek it is psuk and so you might
05:3305:33 - compare the English word psyche there which is actually basically transliteration of that Greek word um
05:3905:39 - and so both of these languages um have you know these other words that we translate or rather that uh the
05:4705:47 - translators the Bible versions often translate as soul but it’s actually not the only thing that those words can mean
05:5505:55 - and so as I say because I think there’s kind of a lot of misunder standing on this particular Point um especially over
06:0206:02 - all the centuries that people have written about this I’m not the biggest fan of translating these Greek and
06:0706:07 - Hebrew words with the word Soul just because of all the quotative baggage that that term has picked up over time
06:1506:15 - so these two Greek and Hebrew words so nephesh in Hebrew and psuk in Greek can be better translated in my opinion um as
06:2306:23 - appropriate based on context so you kind of have to make sure you’re picking the an appropriate word in what ever
06:2906:29 - circumstances you need to translate with with these other words so like I said these these words in Greek and Hebrew
06:3506:35 - can also be translated as heart or mind or person or life in the sense of a human life or a living being um and so
06:4806:48 - all of these things now if you think about it for a sec you will notice that when you think about exactly what the
06:5406:54 - definition of soul is in English you can kind of see how these other things uh become equivalent to it in the
07:0107:01 - circumstances in which we use them and so uh in our particular discussion here you might think of hearing something
07:0907:09 - like when the ship went down 200 Souls were lost um and so what someone means if they say something like that
07:1707:17 - unfortunate occurrence would be that 200 human beings or living persons drowned when the ship you know crashed or
07:2507:25 - capsized or whatever um and then you could also think of a statement like he felt the sting of her words deep down in
07:3207:32 - his soul couldn’t we replace soul with heart there and have exactly the same sense and so you can kind of see how you
07:4007:40 - can substitute these other words uh for circumstances in which we would use this word in English and you don’t lose
07:4707:47 - meaning um but those are both mapping back to these same words in Hebrew and Greek so nephesh and psuk that we
07:5507:55 - translate as soul you can also translate with these other words and so so the core point that we are making here is
08:0208:02 - that actually humans are only made up of these two things we’re made up of body and spirit and there is no third thing
08:0908:09 - there is no tertium quid we are dichotomus not trotus and so we only have body and spirit not Body Spirit and
08:1708:17 - soul and so uh we have to do a little bit of thinking when we translate here to make sure we’re using the right word
08:2508:25 - um so for example if we’re referring to a life as in you know a human life or we are referring to you know something
08:3408:34 - going on the battle for human hearts and Minds you could say the battle for human Souls um so you kind of have to figure
08:4108:41 - out you know what’s the appropriate word to replace it with in Translation but the reason why we might want to avoid
08:4908:49 - using the word Soul when we translate is because of all of the connotative baggage that word has people tend to uh
08:5808:58 - think that soul is something different than body and spirit that it’s some third thing that we are made up of when
09:0509:05 - that’s just not the case and so to kind of sidestep problems there in my opinion and in the opinion of other people I’m
09:1109:11 - not the only one who feels this way um it it kind of makes sense to avoid using it just because it kind of makes things
09:1809:18 - unclear or ambiguous because different people use the word differently and so it’s not wrong like as I say if we
09:2609:26 - understand properly that Souls are the composition of body and spirit together you know the thing that makes us us uh
09:3409:34 - we have this battle going on in our hearts and our minds like galatian chapter 5 talks about well that is our
09:4109:41 - soul that is who we are um so if you understand that definition it’s not like it’s a a bad word or anything it’s just
09:4909:49 - that a lot of people take it to mean different things and so it can be kind of unclear if we use it exactly what we
09:5509:55 - mean by it and so for that reason kind of makes sense when we’re having these conversations about what human beings
10:0110:01 - are composed of to only stick with flesh and spirit and just if we need to translate these words from Greek or
10:0810:08 - Hebrew nephesh or PUK to use heart or mind or person or life or one of these other translations just so that it
10:1510:15 - doesn’t trip other people up all right so that was the first of the background topics we need to cover
10:2510:25 - next we’re going to be talking about types of death so there are actually three types of death that human beings
10:3210:32 - can experience and so we would say that when we think of death as a concept we can actually kind of be referring to
10:3910:39 - different things here so first of all there is physical death then there’s spiritual death which by that we would
10:4710:47 - mean spiritual separation from God and then finally there’s Eternal death which you might also hear called the second
10:5510:55 - death and that is spending eternity in the Lake of Fire etern eternally separated from God and so this is not
11:0211:02 - what we want to experience and un and believers do not face this this is the fate of unbelievers of those who are
11:0811:08 - unwilling to submit to God and so a passage that is kind of related to this distinctions between death uh concept if
11:1711:17 - you will is Genesis chter 3:4 when Satan told Eve that she would surely not die if she ate of the fruit and so when he
11:2611:26 - said that he spoke a half truth while disobeying God did not cause immediate physical death for Adam and Eve and so
11:3311:33 - this would kind of be Satan’s Hal truuth here is that when Eve ate of the fruit she didn’t immediately Keel over dead so
11:4111:41 - she did not die physically instantaneously but nonetheless this action caused immediate spiritual death
11:4911:49 - that spiritual separation from God Adam and Eve hid from the Lord God once they’d eaten of the fruit they knew they
11:5511:55 - were naked it caused this barrier of separation between man and God that was not previously there that’s spiritual
12:0212:02 - death and in fact eating of this fruit would cause eventual physical death even if not instantaneously um so because of
12:1012:10 - this Adam and Eve would die eventually previously they were Immortal they were undying they did not experience death in
12:1712:17 - any sense of the word but now because of this they were separated from God they faced spiritual death and now they would
12:2512:25 - eventually face physical death as well and even more than that if God had not provided a gracious means of Escape for
12:3412:34 - us in the blood of Jesus Christ which is actually symbolized and foreshadowed in Genesis chter 3 verse 21 when God made
12:4312:43 - garments of skin for Adam and his wife um that is animals were killed their blood was shed to clothe Adam and Eve um
12:5212:52 - this is often called the Proto evangelium or First Gospel this represents um symb symbolizes and
12:5912:59 - foreshadows the blood of Christ covering us and reconciling us to God all the way back in the very beginning of the Bible
13:0613:06 - in Genesis chapter 3 we already see God’s Redemptive plan for Humanity uh being played out and of course that
13:1213:12 - comes up in the prophecy uh just a few verses before this as well but in any case if God hadn’t clothed Us in the
13:2113:21 - blood of Jesus Christ all of us Adam and Eve included would necessarily face certain Eternal death from God as well
13:2813:28 - or sorry Eternal death separation from God as well so that is you know being separated from God in the Lake of Fire
13:3513:35 - for all eternity a horrible fate that would be where we would all end up if God hadn’t out of his grace and mercy
13:4313:43 - sent Jesus Christ to die for us so these are the three types of death now in our present study where we’re talking about
13:5113:51 - the idea of the afterlife and how resuscitation might be related to it we’re going to be focusing on the first
13:5613:56 - type of death specifically and so that is physical death and so if we say we’re going to be
14:0514:05 - focusing on physical death here well that kind of means we should Define the term what does physical death mean
14:1214:12 - exactly and so we’re going to be saying that physical death means that someone’s human Spirit departs their physical body
14:2014:20 - and so we would actually probably term this that someone dies when they cease breathing um now the reason why this
14:2814:28 - assoc is uh kind of the right way to think about it it’s good and proper for us to
14:3314:33 - say this is because the words in both Hebrew and Greek for breath and spirit are the same word that is this Hebrew
14:4414:44 - word here ruak and this Greek word Numa uh these both mean both breath and spirit the same word is used for both
14:5314:53 - Concepts and so that’s why this is how we should talk about it it’s how the Bible talks about it just implicitly
15:0015:00 - through the languages the human Spirit again spirit being defined by these words is present when breath is present
15:0915:09 - and not when not and so we don’t need to go get down on I don’t know all the specifics of well what happens if
15:1515:15 - someone’s heart stops beating because they have a heart attack and and but then they come back a couple minutes
15:2015:20 - later uh the point here is that the association between these words is such that breath and life are very closely
15:2815:28 - related linguistically speaking um and so in their languages these words are related so jumping down a little bit
15:3715:37 - this paragraph here this is actually also true in Latin so the word for spirit and breath in Latin is spir to
15:4515:45 - and so that is a third language here where you can kind of clearly see this Association um it’s not all languages
15:5215:52 - though interestingly so German has two separate words for spirit and breath gist and ATM and we have have two
15:5815:58 - separate words in English too that is spirit and breath right we don’t use the same word for both of them but you can
16:0416:04 - see here in Hebrew and Greek and Latin there is this association between breathing and having a spirit that is
16:1216:12 - being physically alive because when people die their Spirit leaves their physical body alongside their breath
16:1916:19 - they no longer breathe they’re no longer alive and so this identical duality in meaning the fact that it’s there in both
16:2716:27 - Greek and Hebrew and actually Latin and some other languages as well um this is actually kind of noteworthy um because
16:3316:33 - Hebrew and Greek are not related linguistically speaking um so Greek and Latin are both Greek and Latin are what
16:4116:41 - are known as Indo-European languages they kind of share a family tree if you will but Hebrew is not completely
16:4816:48 - different language tree Hebrew is a Semitic language and so the fact that both of these languages have the same
16:5516:55 - exact concept kind of points to a universal spiritual truth that is this is the way the world is this is a a
17:0417:04 - spiritual reality because all these languages have the same concept and so this is kind of similar to this other
17:1117:11 - video in the series here talking about death and sleep it’s another case where that Association crosses languages will
17:1917:19 - so to here with this idea of breath and spirit being one and the same thing so all that technical discussion aside the
17:3017:30 - key takeaway Point here is that physical death is the removal of someone’s human Spirit from their physical body and if
17:3717:37 - you remember uh just before we had talked about how human beings are composed of body and spirit and so
17:4417:44 - physical death is when a human being has their Spirit separated from their physical body um so their physical body
17:5217:52 - uh is buried it is no longer animated if you will by their Spirit um so maybe that can be confusing you know it’s
18:0218:02 - maybe why we don’t always use that language when we explain this but the idea is that physical death means that
18:0818:08 - someone’s human Spirit has been separated from their body all right so that kind of lays the
18:1818:18 - groundwork we need to to start talking about exactly what happens after someone dies and so before we can even get there
18:2518:25 - we have to talk about well first of all what is dying is physical death and to properly explain that physical death is
18:3218:32 - the removal of the human Spirit from the body we had to talk about well humans are made up of body and spirit right
18:3818:38 - because that’s related and we also had to talk about how there’s you know different types of death and physical
18:4318:43 - death specifically is the one we’re talking about so after all of that we kind of get here where we’re ready to
18:4718:47 - start addressing the main thrust of the question that what happens after someone dies and is it different in the case of
18:5418:54 - a person who will be resuscitated and so the procedure I’m going to use here to explain this is first we’re going to
19:0119:01 - kind of talk about the quote unquote normal case so for someone who will not be resuscitated what does their path to
19:0819:08 - the afterlife look like and then we’re going to circle back at the very end and talk about well are things different or
19:1419:14 - are they the same for a person who will be resuscitated now before we can get too
19:2319:23 - far here we actually have to make another point and that is that what happens after you die actually isn’t the
19:3019:30 - same across all of human history and so there are sort of three states here that we’re going to be talking about there is
19:3719:37 - before Christ’s Ascension after Christ’s Ascension and in eternity proper so where you go when you die has not been
19:4619:46 - constant throughout human history and how and where we will spend eternity with God in the new heavens and new
19:5419:54 - earth is yet again different from both states that that uh Believers have when they die before eternity so eternity
20:0320:03 - proper that is new heavens and new earth will be yet a a third possible state that people will experience after they
20:1120:11 - die relative to what happens after they die before Christ’s Ascension and after Christ’s Ascension and then after the
20:1920:19 - resurrection all three of these are different and so some of these topics are a bit tangential to this present
20:2520:25 - matter so I’m really not going to spend too much time here like we could probably make a video on each honestly
20:3120:31 - say speaking but we’re just going to kind of try to summarize the basics of these Concepts just so that we can
20:3720:37 - explain well what does the afterlife experience look like in the normal case because we kind of have to talk about
20:4320:43 - this to be able to talk about what you know what happens after you die in a general sense well if you don’t know
20:4820:48 - where people go or what it’s like you have a hard time explaining what the afterlife is like right so we kind of
20:5420:54 - have to delve into a bit of this but we’re not going to get super off in the Weeds on some of the technical details
21:0021:00 - so in this section I’m not so much going to be uh establishing this with I don’t know scholarly arguments and lots of
21:0621:06 - verse references and stuff I’m just going to be kind of saying this is how it is and I’m not going to try to prove
21:1121:11 - it so much other than saying well in my understanding and reading of scripture and the Bible’s evidence this is what
21:1721:17 - the afterlife is like and so we’re just going to kind of assert it in summary form here and then we’re going to
21:2221:22 - describe what happens when people die and what their experience in the afterlife is uh after we’ve gone through
21:2821:28 - and summarized some of these topics here all right so this slide look a picture it’s not just text this time uh
21:3821:38 - the first thing we’re going to talk about is sort of answering the where question so where do people go when they
21:4521:45 - die and um to answer that we’re going to kind of look at what can be termed quote unquote Heavenly geography here and so
21:5321:53 - starting at the top not that it’s like necessarily two-dimensional but you know conceptually speaking uh we’re going to
22:0022:00 - start with the third heaven so this is where the throne room of God the father is um and you know we’re we’re gonna
22:0722:07 - talk about all this in the next slide here um so I’ll you know switch back and forth but um the third heaven is
22:1422:14 - separated from this present Universe uh by a barrier that we’re going to call the waters above so when Genesis the
22:2322:23 - creation account talks about separating the waters above and the waters below I don’t know if you’ve ever heard of that
22:2922:29 - or if that sounds familiar it’s actually has a purpose more than just I don’t know that land came out of water in the
22:3622:36 - creation account like it is talking about this this ontological reality of how the universe is constructed of how
22:4422:44 - you know God is separate from our present physical creation ever more important after the presence of sin in
22:5122:51 - this world um but there is a separating barrier between the third heaven and this present world this Cosmos under the
22:5922:59 - control of Satan and ruled by sin um in our present times and so there’s that separating barrier and then within this
23:0823:08 - Cosmos we have the heavens and the earth now Heavens is actually plural in Hebrew um so it’s not you know we might say uh
23:1723:17 - in English we might say the sky and the sky we would typically mean like the atmosphere but if you say night sky
23:2323:23 - you’re usually not just talking about like I don’t know like the stratosphere around Earth but also stars in the
23:2923:29 - universe right so kind of same concept in Hebrew shamayim is plural and it is talking about kind of Earth’s atmosphere
23:3723:37 - like clouds and whatnot and also the universe beyond um and then Earth is our planet um and so this is this world this
23:4623:46 - Cosmos that we presently inhabit and then there’s another barrier separating uh the this present world this creation
23:5523:55 - from what we’re going to term Hades and so kind of explaining some of this more you may also hear Hades termed Shel or
24:0324:03 - the grave um these are all descriptions of the same place that in terms of heavenly geography is separate from the
24:1124:11 - third heaven and separate from Earth and all of these all of these are separated by these barriers the so-called Waters
24:2024:20 - above and Waters below so on those separating Waters um there’s a couple verses in Revelation that talk about a
24:2724:27 - sea of GL so Revelation 4: 6 says Before the Throne there was something like a sea of
24:3424:34 - glass like Crystal and in the center and around the throne four living creatures full of eyes in front and behind so
24:4024:40 - Revelation 4:6 mentions the sea of glass and also Revelation 15:2 again describing what it’s like in
24:4924:49 - the third heaven and I saw something like a sea of glass mixed with fire and those who had been Victorious over the
24:5624:56 - beast in His image and the number of his name standing on the sea of glass holding harps of God so from here this
25:0425:04 - sea of glass this is what we’re talking about with this separating barrier between the third heaven and this
25:0925:09 - present Cosmos um these these barriers divide the Heavenly geography if you will into three distinct categories the
25:1825:18 - third heaven uh this Cosmos the devil’s World which is composed of the heavens and the Earth and then Hades or what
25:2725:27 - would also you might also hear it just term the underworld generally you know that’s a staple in mythological systems
25:3325:33 - but um Hades or Shield or The Grave is the third division so as kind of mentioned a little bit before the third
25:4125:41 - heaven is where the father currently resides separated from the world due to the tainting presence of sin in this
25:4725:47 - current creation so this will no longer be the case that is the father will no longer be separated from us but will
25:5425:54 - actually dwell alongside us when this current creation is destroyed and replaced with the new heavens and the
26:0026:00 - new Earth at the end of history and so that is take this middle section here this present Cosmos the devil’s world we
26:0826:08 - would say under the control of Satan uh you can contrast Ephesians chapter 2 the prince of the power of the air um Satan
26:1526:15 - is temporarily in control of the world not because he won a battle or something but because God has let him for the
26:2126:21 - purpose of testing Humanity well this present heavens and earth will be destroyed we we’ll go over that a bit
26:2826:28 - later um rolled up like a scroll replaced with the new heavens and the new Earth which won’t have sin anymore
26:3426:34 - and at that point in time God the Father will dwell alongside us and elect angels and we’ll all have perfect fellowship
26:4126:41 - with each other in eternity but this middle part will get replaced is what I’m saying um but in the meantime the
26:4926:49 - father is separate from this present World due to the tainting present of sin um and so the cosmos this present world
26:5726:57 - is composed of Earth and the shamayim mentioned this before plural Heavens uh referring to Earth’s atmosphere in The
27:0527:05 - Wider universe and so this is where we currently dwell this is what we would call SpaceTime in the universe um and so
27:1327:13 - we are here for a finite amount of time until we die until we go meet our maker we Face judgment um this is where human
27:2227:22 - beings are tested will we believe in God will we choose to follow him in this world controlled by Satan will we make
27:3027:30 - the right choices this period of testing occurs in the cosmos uh as I said right now under the temporary control of Satan
27:3927:39 - because God has let him usurp control for the purpose of testing humanity and then finally this third segment here
27:4727:47 - Hades or sheld or the grave or the underworld well this third place is actually composed of some further
27:5327:53 - subdivision so not on this picture here and I said I’m not I’m not like doing the full accounting of these things you
28:0028:00 - know giving you all the scripture that supports all this or all of the logical argumentation to lay all this out I’m
28:0628:06 - just kind of summarizing what I hold to be the truth about the organization of the underworld and you know like where
28:1328:13 - people go when they die and things like that so not that I’m being uh you know kind of handwavy here I I do believe all
28:2028:20 - this I think there is evidence for this but just kind of going through the summary version like I said so uh for
28:2528:25 - Hades the further subdivis that are part of this uh one is sometimes known as Abraham’s bosom or
28:3328:33 - Paradise um so this is the quote unquote good part of Hades and this is where pre- cross Believers used to be located
28:4128:41 - and so we’ll talk more about what that used to be means in a moment here and then there is torments which is the
28:4928:49 - quote-unquote bad part of Hades where unbelievers go to await the great white Throne Judgment at the end of history
28:5628:56 - and so uh so-called great white Throne judgment well this is the Judgment of unbelievers um so there is a judgment at
29:0429:04 - the end of the tribulation when Christ Returns the church is resurrected that’s when 1 Corinthians chapter 15 happens um
29:1229:12 - and then at the end of human history right before the heavens and the Earth are remade there’s this judgment where
29:1729:17 - unbelievers go before the great white Throne to be judged for their works now they’re not sent to hell because of
29:2329:23 - their sin they’re sent to hell because of their rejection of Jesus Christ Jesus paid for all human sin on the cross so
29:3029:30 - people don’t go to hell because of sin people go to hell because of unbelief um and so at any rate torments is where
29:3829:38 - unbelievers go to await this final judgment so-called great white Throne judgment and so it’s a subdivision of
29:4429:44 - Hades it’s not the same as Abraham’s bosom or Paradise which is the good part this is where unbelievers go and there’s
29:5129:51 - actually another place uh so-called the abyss or Tartarus you know that might sound familiar if you know Greek
29:5829:58 - mythology but you know don’t import all the associations there it’s not the same right it’s not like the Bible stole this
30:0530:05 - thing from Greek mythology it’s just a word in Greek right um and so the abyss is where certain fallen angels are
30:1330:13 - currently incarcerated on account of transgressing God’s limitations put on them so a couple verses here 1 Peter
30:2030:20 - chapter 2 ver4 says if God did not spare Angels when they sinned but cast them into hell and commit them to pits of
30:2830:28 - Darkness reserved for judgment that’s what we’re talking about here the abyss now keep in mind angels are creatures of
30:3530:35 - light you know casting them into the pit of Eternal Darkness you know not going to do good things to creatures of light
30:4230:42 - right um and then also Jude chapter 1 verse 6 here and Angels who did not keep their own domain but abandon their
30:5030:50 - proper Abode he has kept in Eternal bonds under Darkness for the Judgment of that great day referring to to the same
30:5730:57 - thing as that passage from second Peter um now this is actually not to get off topic this is referring to uh Angels
31:0531:05 - breeding with human women in Genesis chapter 6 there’s these people called the Nephilim who were half angel um and
31:1231:12 - so you know that is a kind of a controversial thing we’re not going to get into that here but um that is the
31:1931:19 - sin of these angels for which they were incarcerated not allowed to mess with humans like that and so God chained them
31:2631:26 - in the abyss second Peter 2:4 Jude 1 verse6 now Lake of Fire also a subdivision of Hades now this is where
31:3731:37 - all unbelieving humans and angels will be cast for all eternity although it is presently uninhabited and will remain as
31:4431:44 - such until that future point of irreversible judgment judgment before the great white Throne is when
31:5031:50 - unbelievers are condemned to the Lake of Fire alongside Satan and all the Fallen Angels
31:5731:57 - and so have you been following along with all this you might wonderwell where’s hell fit into this you know that
32:0332:03 - is typically what we refer to as quote unquote the place where unbelievers go when they die well what do we mean by
32:1032:10 - that and we are actually kind of loose with how we use this in English so in practice sometimes people mean by it
32:1732:17 - torments so this part of Hades where unbelievers go to await the great white Throne judgment and then you know we
32:2532:25 - also refer to it uh you know like as meaning like the final resting place of unbelievers like unbelievers go to hell
32:3232:32 - for all time well in that sense if we use it in that way we’re actually kind of talking about the Lake of Fire those
32:3832:38 - are actually technically speaking two distinct places of neither of them Pleasant both of them separated from God
32:4532:45 - but not quite the same place in terms of heavenly geography so I’m sure this was a lot of information I kind of had to
32:5432:54 - get through this like I said just to talk about well where where did people go when they die there’s there’s all
32:5832:58 - these subdivisions and you know what is Heavenly geography like and what’s the difference between this present Cosmos
33:0633:06 - and and Hades which is where people go when they die in the third heaven which is where Believers are currently which
33:1333:13 - we’ll get to in a sec well what’s the difference between all these that’s kind of what we’ve been talking about
33:2033:20 - here all right so we kind of hinted at this in our discussion of all of the places where people can end up after
33:2733:27 - they die but things actually changed after Christ’s Ascension and so in Ephesians chapter 4 verses
33:3533:35 - 7-10 um it describes you know Christ leading captivity captive that is one way you may hear this phrase now this
33:4433:44 - link here is actually to uh a study in the Systematic Theology that my mentor has written about Jesus Christ so this
33:5233:52 - is so-called christology a section of that study talks about the transfer of Believers from the Subterranean Paradise
34:0034:00 - to the third heaven that is from Abraham’s bosom or Paradise in Hades to the third heaven with the father so in
34:0734:07 - our picture they went from somewhere down here in the good part of Hades to the third heaven and this happened after
34:1534:15 - Jesus ascended um and so this is why we say um things are different before and after Christ’s Ascension and so for uh
34:2534:25 - pre cross believers when they died they went to Abraham’s bosom in Hades or the good part paradise and Hades um so in
34:3634:36 - the Underworld Shield the grave whatever you want to call it um this part of heavenly geography that is separated by
34:4334:43 - the waters below so not part of this universe but separate but also not in the presence of the Father which is
34:5134:51 - where the third heaven is um so this is where Lazarus and Abraham are in Luke chapter 16 so with the parable of
34:5934:59 - Lazarus and Abraham and the rich man Lazarus and Abraham are in this place that we would call Abraham’s bosom and
35:0535:05 - in fact that’s where we get this term from um La Lazarus is said to be kind of by Abraham’s side in Abraham’s bosom
35:1235:12 - right next to him um in Paradise in Hades so as we mentioned before Hades contains multiple subdivisions all these
35:2035:20 - in fact right Paradise torments the abyss the Lake of Fire well this other place called torments This is where the
35:2735:27 - man was in that parab um and so that is where unbelieving humans go after death to await the final judgment that great
35:3535:35 - white Throne judgment and so these two sections that is Abraham’s bosom or paradise and torments are separated by a
35:4335:43 - great Chasm such that nobody can cross between the two sections and so this is what Luke 16: 26 is getting at Luke
35:5135:51 - 16:26 says between us and you there is a great Chasm fixed so that those who wish to come over from here to you will not
35:5935:59 - be able and that none may cross over from there to us and so there is this big division between Abraham’s bosom and
36:0736:07 - torments um because unbelievers get sent to torments they can’t go to paradise they are fixed they are bound and they
36:1636:16 - will be there until Judgment Day um and so too for believers they do not go to torments they go to Abraham’s bosom and
36:2536:25 - these are two separate places in their boundaries between them that’s what Luke 16: 26 is getting at now we should say
36:3236:32 - in all this that Abraham’s bosom which is where pre cross Believers went to or rather like pre- Ascension Believers
36:3836:38 - went to um well Abraham’s bosom even though it’s separate from the presence of the father because the father is in
36:4436:44 - the third heaven like we said Hades is not the third heaven and Abraham’s bosom is a subdivision of Hades well even
36:5136:51 - though Abraham’s bosom is separate from the presence of Father this was not some neutral or negative holding space or
36:5936:59 - prison so like Purgatory not that we’re going to go there it’s not like neutral or even bad this was a form of paradise
37:0737:07 - it is not the same as the third heaven and it’s not the same as the new heavens and the new Earth where we will live
37:1237:12 - with God for all eternity like a final Paradise if you will and it’s also not the same as initial Paradise I.E the
37:1937:19 - Garden of Eden but it is a form of paradise right a good place to be this is where Believers went before Christ
37:3037:30 - ascension all right so that was before Christ’s Ascension now we’re going to talk about where Believers went after
37:3637:36 - Christ’s Ascension so again as described in Ephesians chap 4: 7-10 all of those who were previously in Abraham’s bosom
37:4337:43 - were led by Christ into the presence of the father in the third heaven and so we would say that this is the victory that
37:5037:50 - Christ won for us on the cross the veil of separation between us and God was completely and utterly split we are no
37:5837:58 - longer separate from God the veil has been torn into and so we are able to be in the presence of the father because he
38:0738:07 - sees us through the blood of Christ when the father accepted Christ’s payment for our sins death Was Defeated and God now
38:1538:15 - only sees believing humans through the blood of Christ and for this reason since then when Believers die they join
38:2338:23 - all of our previously departed brothers and sisters in the third heaven where our ancient forebears were LED after
38:2938:29 - Christ’s Ascension so after Christ ascends he takes his his seat at the right hand of God the father in The
38:3538:35 - Third Heaven um believing humans up to that point were transferred to the presence of the third heaven because now
38:4238:42 - after after Christ’s sacrifice had been rendered uh God sees us only through the blood of Christ so that’s the change
38:5138:51 - that’s why they are now allowed into the presence of the father because they are covered in the blood of Christ
38:5738:57 - positionally they had been saved before on credit so to speak because Christ paid for all human sin um upon the cross
39:0539:05 - it wasn’t like their sin before was somehow like not punished um there’s this verse in Hebrews 3 chap or Hebrews
39:1239:12 - 325 um that says God passed over the sins previously committed uh so Old Testament Believers uh before Christ uh
39:2139:21 - you know payment for our sin on the cross and his resurrection and Ascension they were saved on credit so to speak
39:2739:27 - because it was the blood of Christ that sacrificed that he died for us on the cross and and was judged in our place
39:3439:34 - for human sin that’s what saves everybody past present and future and so Old Testament Believers positionally
39:4039:40 - saved on credit here um but because the father now sees Believers through the blood of Christ that’s why we are able
39:4939:49 - to be in the third heaven and that’s why they weren’t able to be in the third heaven before and so this is the change
39:5539:55 - that happened after Christ Ascension as described in Hebrews 4: 7-10 now in this unbelievers didn’t change unbelievers
40:0340:03 - still go to torments in Hades to await the great white Throne judgment that part stayed consistent it’s just that
40:0940:09 - pre Ascension Believers went to Abraham’s bosom in Hades and post Christ Ascension Believers go straight to the
40:1740:17 - third heaven in the presence of the father that is the thing that changed after Christ
40:2540:25 - ascended now now if that wasn’t already enough for you we’re going to talk about eternity proper now as well and so there
40:3240:32 - is described in Revelation a period of 1,000 literal years known as the Millennium wherein Christ will rule from
40:3940:39 - Jerusalem in this present creation so not new heavens and new earth but in this present creation uh The Returned
40:4540:45 - Christ you know he’s coming with the crown this time not the suffering servant um he will rule from Jerusalem
40:5340:53 - in this present creation and it will be a time of overflowing peace and prosperity like no other time before now
40:5940:59 - I should say that I am stating this as fact and I believe it is true um plenty of people disagree on this period known
41:0641:06 - as the Millennium um there is a form of end times interpretation called a millennialism that doesn’t believe in
41:1241:12 - Millennium at all and so we’re not going to get into that here just thought I should mention it that I am taking a
41:1741:17 - position here um but in the Millennium literal 10,00 years under my interpretation and you know what I would
41:2441:24 - say the Bible actually says because that’s what Revelation says um Christ will rule from this present creation but
41:3141:31 - eternity proper is actually different from the Millennium because it’s a new creation new heavens and new earth so at
41:3741:37 - the end of History this current creation will be destroyed so I have a lot of verse references here I’m not going to
41:4341:43 - read all of them but um you know this this creation will be replaced new heavens and new earth one of these
41:5241:52 - verses talks about um the Earth being rolled up like a stroll yeah here it is Isaiah
41:5841:58 - 34:4 um the host of heaven will wear away and the sky will be rolled up like a scroll um so this present creation
42:0642:06 - will be destroyed and then God will make the new heavens and the new Earth uh the New Jerusalem will descend from the sky
42:1342:13 - and we will dwell there in perfect bliss for all eternity No More Tears no more pain and perfect Fellowship not only
42:2142:21 - with each other but also elect angels and God God’s entire family those who have chosen for him in this life will
42:2842:28 - all have perfect Fellowship in the new heavens and the new Earth and the New Jerusalem living with the father and so
42:3442:34 - that is the Eternal state of Believers and elect Angels by way of contrast unbelievers will find themselves thrown
42:4142:41 - into the Lake of Fire for all eternity alongside Satan and the other Fallen Angels so like a fire one of those
42:4742:47 - subdivisions of Hades we talked about this is where people uh unbelievers will end up in final judgment for all of
42:5542:55 - eternity um so as you can see you know this question of well where do you go when
43:0143:01 - you die well are you talking about before Christ Ascension after Christ Ascension or after eternity here where
43:0843:08 - will we be in you know the end state of things well all those are different and so that’s why this question kind of hard
43:1443:14 - to answer uh just like simply or shortly that’s why kind of we’ve gone through uh this this General State of well where
43:2243:22 - are the possible places you could go and when do you go to them like what divisions of History um were people
43:3043:30 - going to these places and based on what events so that’s what we’ve talked about here obviously a lot of information but
43:3643:36 - the point is that when you die uh or sorry rather when people have died throughout history Believers would have
43:4243:42 - either ended up in Abraham’s bosom uh before Christ’s Ascension or into third heaven in the presence of the father
43:4843:48 - after Christ’s Ascension and then in eternity we will be dwelling with God on the new heavens and the new Earth Earth
43:5643:56 - in the New Jerusalem as described in the Book of Revelation but that won’t happen until the end of human history after
44:0344:03 - this present universe that’s infested with sin is destroyed completely and God makes the new heavens and the new
44:1344:13 - Earth okay now before we can get to actually answering that question of well what happens after you die we still have
44:2044:20 - yet another facet to talk about and that is kind of in what form do we exist as I don’t know like beings after we die
44:3044:30 - like are we just Spirits floating about or do we have physicality and so uh this is going to be the last general
44:3844:38 - information topic I promise before we actually get to answering the main question and so fortunately we have a
44:4544:45 - lot of explaining to do here too but this is the the last background thing that will help us explain exactly what
44:5144:51 - the afterlife is like and so unfortunately a lot of pop culture ref representations of Heaven involve like
44:5844:58 - Pearly Gates clouds floating gold streets and things like that uh things that make it seem somehow floaty and
45:0545:05 - ephemeral and almost not real rather than something that’s physical and this isn’t at all compatible with the Bible’s
45:1245:12 - descriptions of the afterlife there is physicality there especially new heavens and new earth this one people get very
45:1945:19 - wrong because in eternity we won’t be walking around up in the sky somewhere we will be on the new Earth in the New
45:2545:25 - Jerusalem like ground not Sky um it is completely different and so this is just you got to
45:3245:32 - be careful about what I don’t know like connotations Heaven might pull up for you because a lot of what people think
45:3945:39 - Heaven is it’s not really there like another one humans do not have wings in heaven that’s not a thing um you don’t
45:4545:45 - earn your wings humans do not become Angels either so all sorts of problematic I don’t know teaching that
45:5145:51 - you can pick up from popular representations of this that don’t have they’re grounding in the Bible so all
45:5845:58 - that aside um unlike what some people think Heaven is not floaty and ephemeral it is physical it has physicality and so
46:0746:07 - the Bible is real clear that in final Resurrection we will be quote unquote like Christ so that’s a direct quote
46:1446:14 - here from 1 John chapter 3:2 says beloved now we are children of God and it has not appeared as yet what we will
46:2246:22 - be we know that when he appears we will be like him because we will see him just as he is so we will be like Christ we
46:3046:30 - will have Resurrection bodies just how Christ did and then there’s this other passage here in 1 Corinthians chapter 15
46:3846:38 - now uh some folks might just know off the top of their heads 1 Corinthians 15 one of the biggest passages in the Bible
46:4446:44 - talking about resurrection and so we’re going to go ahead and read this whole thing and you know it’s a few paragraphs
46:5046:50 - here so um it is just really important for talking about the resurrection for talking about about what bodies we will
46:5746:57 - have and what our state will be like in the resurrection State you know not in temporary bodies as we’re about to talk
47:0547:05 - about not in Abraham’s bosom not in the third heaven but once Believers are resurrected what happens so talking
47:1347:13 - about the Revelation picking up in 1 Corinthians 15 verse 35 Paul says but someone will say how are the dead raised
47:2147:21 - and with what kind of body do they come you fool that which you s does not come to life unless it dies and that which
47:2947:29 - you sow you do not seow the body which is to be but a be grain perhaps of wheat or of something else but God gives it a
47:3747:37 - body just as he wished and to each of the seeds a body of its own All Flesh is not the same flesh but there is one
47:4447:44 - flesh of men and another flesh of Beast and another flesh of birds and another of fish there are also heavenly bodies
47:5147:51 - and Earthly bodies but the glory of the Heavenly is one and the glory of the Earthly is another there is one glory of
47:5847:58 - the Sun and another glory of the Moon and another glory of the stars for Star differs from star in glory so also is
48:0548:05 - the resurrection of the dead it is sown a perishable body it is raised an imperishable body it is sown in dishonor
48:1448:14 - it is raised in glory it is sown in weakness it is raised in power it is sown a natural body it is raised a
48:2248:22 - spiritual body if there is a natural body there is also Al a spiritual body so it is also written the first man Adam
48:3048:30 - became a living Soul the last Adam became a lifegiving spirit so just pausing there that’s verse 45 1
48:3848:38 - Corinthians 15:45 the last Adam is referring to Jesus Christ um so Adam became a living Soul the last Adam
48:4548:45 - became a life-giving spirit that is what Christ did for us so picking up at verse 46 however the spiritual is not first
48:5548:55 - but the natural natural than the spiritual the first man is from the earth earthy the second man again Jesus
49:0249:02 - Christ here the second man is from Heaven as is the earthy so also are those who are earthy and as is the
49:0949:09 - Heavenly so also are those who are Heavenly just as we have borne the image of the Earthly we will also bear the
49:1649:16 - image of the Heavenly now I say this Brethren that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God nor does the
49:2449:24 - perishable inherit the Imp imperishable behold I tell you a mystery we will not all sleep but we will all be
49:3249:32 - changed in a moment in the twinkling of an eye at the last trumpet for the trumpet will sound and the dead will be
49:3849:38 - raised imperishable and we will be changed for this perishable must put on the imperishable and this Mortal must
49:4749:47 - put on immortality but when this perishable will have to put on the imperishable and this Mortal will have
49:5349:53 - to put on immortality then will come about the saying that is written death is swallowed up in Victory oh death
50:0050:00 - where is your Victory oh death where is your Sting the sting of death is sin and the power of sin is the law but thanks
50:0850:08 - be to God who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ therefore my beloved Brethren be steadfast
50:1550:15 - immovable always abounding in the work of the Lord knowing that your toil is not in vain in the
50:2250:22 - Lord so don’t know exactly how long I read that for probably a few minutes there but 1 Corinthians 15 picking up at
50:2950:29 - there verse 35 very important discussion in the Bible about resurrection and so I obviously don’t have enough time to
50:3750:37 - unpack all of this I just wanted to give us the full context actually read that chapter um because it is critical to us
50:4450:44 - understanding the difference between the bodies that we have here on Earth as humans versus the bodies we will have in
50:5150:51 - Resurrection so we obviously see that in both these cases we have have bodies um so verse 44 it’s swn a natural body and
51:0051:00 - raised a spiritual body if there is a natural body there is also a spiritual body direct quote from the Bible there
51:0751:07 - is a body for us in eternity we will not be disembodied and so to pull us back to our discussion here on the slide we know
51:1751:17 - that in final Resurrection we will have a body just how Christ had a body and so we will be living in the new heavens and
51:2451:24 - the new Earth not up the clouds somewhere like we were talking about we will have bodies that are Incorruptible
51:3151:31 - spiritual bodies as Paul puts it that will be ruled over by spiritual impulses rather than the sinful fleshly ones like
51:3851:38 - we have at present now we can only kind of grasp the barest outlines of exactly what this means but the key point is
51:4651:46 - that our spirits will still be housed in bodies even if they are different than the ones we are now in and obviously as
51:5351:53 - this passage shows they will be different they are Heavenly because as is the earthy so also those who are
51:5951:59 - earthy and as is the Heavenly so also those who are Heavenly we will bear the image of the Heavenly when we are
52:0752:07 - resurrected so the question in all of this was that’s the resurrection State and right now we are in the earthy State
52:1452:14 - we are in these these bodies presently corrupted and infested with sin and fleshly desire well what about before
52:2152:21 - the resurrection we said the resurrection doesn’t happen until you know Jesus returns at the end of the
52:2652:26 - tribulation this is before the Millennium that’s when Believers are resurrected that Judgment of Believers
52:3252:32 - happens which is separate from the great white Throne judgment so kind of confusing apologies about that but
52:3852:38 - before that before that Resurrection what were people like you know did they have bodies then because
52:4452:44 - the bodies we talked about just there in 1 Corinthians 15 those are Resurrection bodies and the bodies we have now are
52:4952:49 - fleshly Earthly bodies so what about in between did the people in Abraham’s bosom have bodies of something form what
52:5652:56 - about those in the third heaven now so the place where people were LED after Christ’s
53:0553:05 - Ascension so to answer that question we just raised here that is um do people in Abraham’s bosom have bodies and so to
53:1453:14 - people in the third heaven the answer to that question we’re going to argue is yes people in the afterlife even before
53:2153:21 - the resurrection as discussed in 1 Corinthians chapter 15 have bodies too and so you’ll recall at the beginning of
53:2853:28 - today’s lesson we talked about the nature and composition of human beings we said human beings have body and
53:3553:35 - spirit we are dichotomous and so back in what we’re talking about here all the way here where we are um the answer to
53:4553:45 - do we have bodies in the afterlife is yes because human beings have bodies that is ontologically speaking that’s
53:5153:51 - simply how God has made us we aren’t human if we are just spirit because humans are composed of body and spirit
53:5853:58 - um and so how could we only exist as Spirit if that’s not how God has made us that that’s not our nature um so that’s
54:0654:06 - the general argument here and as the Bible talks about it this concept of human spirits being joined with physical
54:1354:13 - bodies is typically spoken of metaphorically in terms of clothing uh so a spirit puts on a body so to speak
54:2054:20 - um there’s several passages that we’re going to look at here so one of these is 1 Corinthians CH 5 veres
54:2754:27 - 1-4 um so first 1 Corinthians chap 5: 1-4 says for we know that if the Earthly tent which is our house is torn down we
54:3654:36 - have a building from God a house not made with hands Eternal in the heavens for indeed in this house we grown
54:4354:43 - Longing To Be clothed and note the clothing metaphor here Longing To Be clothed with our dwelling from heaven in
54:5154:51 - as much as we having put it off I’m going to come back to why I translated that as off not on it’s important having
54:5854:58 - put it off will not be found naked for indeed while we are in this tent we groan being burdened because we do not
55:0655:06 - want to be unclothed but to be clothed so that what is Mortal will be swallowed up by
55:1255:12 - life so uh again this verse three here not going to actually spend too much time because we have time in the video
55:1955:19 - but there is a textual problem here this needs to be translated as off not on um you know I’ll I’ll talk more about
55:2655:26 - that when we get there I think it’s a you know maybe a minute from now or whatever but uh this passage here second
55:3255:32 - Corinthians chapter 5 verses 1-4 talks about the Earthly tent versus the Heavenly tent and talks about this idea
55:4055:40 - of being clothed versus naked and that is the metaphor to think about in terms of human Spirits so um two other
55:5055:50 - passages Revelation 6: 11 uh talks about people in the third heaven having white robes um uh very beginning of verse 11
56:0056:00 - says there was given to each of them a white robe and they were told that they should rest for a little while longer
56:0756:07 - and so on so they were given a white robe and then so to Revelation 7:9 says after these things I looked and
56:1556:15 - behold a great multitude which no one could count from every nation and all tribes and peoples and tongues standing
56:2256:22 - Before the Throne and before the lamb clothed in white robes and palm branches and and so on so again white robes are
56:3156:31 - things being worn by Believers in the third heaven so for a human to be a human a human Spirit must be embodied
56:4056:40 - and joined with some form of vessel and that is the physical body it must be clothed with a body that’s the metaphor
56:4756:47 - that the Bible uses so that’s the metaphor we should use too and so in this scripture indirectly teaches a
56:5456:54 - concept that my mentor has termed intern bodies I’m not sure how standard a theological term that is that’s what
57:0157:01 - ichus the website run by my mentor calls it um that’s the terminology I use to to follow his um but this idea that humans
57:1157:11 - must be embodied that’s just how we are as humans that’s how we’re built um so what this is is the idea that after we
57:1957:19 - die physically but before the resurrection as talked about in 1 Corinthians 15 human spirits of departed
57:2557:25 - Believers uh who were previously in Abraham’s bosom before Christ Ascension and now in the third heaven after Christ
57:3257:32 - Ascension are clothed by God in temporary bodies and so bodies of this sort what we are calling intern bodies
57:4057:40 - are both distinct from the sort of body we possess in this life that is a fleshly body infested with sin and the
57:4857:48 - sort of Resurrection body like Christ’s we shall eventually possess in eternity this would be the so-call spiritual body
57:5657:56 - and in Greek that is somatic that is spiritual body I I think it’s actually plural in 1 Corinthians
58:0458:04 - 15:44 like so well I don’t know I have to go check the Greek but it might be like
58:1158:11 - soaa would be the plural form of that but um the point is we will have these spiritual bodies in eternity like
58:1958:19 - christs separate from the fleshly ones but in the intern there will be a body that is like neither of these what we
58:2658:26 - are going to call the intern body uh the sleeves are our Spirits are put in the clothing we put on in the intern period
58:3658:36 - And so to flush out this topic a little more um one of the reasons why this is very often missed or misunderstood is
58:4558:45 - because of that that issue I brought up when we were looking at 1 Corinthians 5 veres 1-4 right this thing in verse
58:5158:51 - three where I said having put it on we will not be found naked is really more having put off the old physical body and
58:5858:58 - so uh my mentor has a uh an explanation of this up on his site in one of the questions and answers um I taking a sec
59:0859:08 - to load here um but this is kind of a complicated textual issue so textual criticism is the Art and Science of
59:1759:17 - figuring out what the original text of the Bible said since the Bible was copied and recopied many times over the
59:2559:25 - decades and centuries changes could creep in and corrupt the text so just as if you or I copy something down we might
59:3259:32 - we might misspell something we might not we might miss a word that could happen with the Bible as well um so the exact
59:3959:39 - specifics of this particular matter um are kind of beyond the scope of what I want to get into here um it’s pretty
59:4759:47 - complicated pretty technical um so again you can see this link uh to go kind of read all the Gory technical details
59:5459:54 - about this particular issue but suffice it to say that the proper way to translate 2 Corinthians chapter 5 verse3
01:00:0301:00:03 - is actually along the lines of when we are unclosed again here having put it on we
01:00:1001:00:10 - would say hav put it off if you want to use that that form of translation we say when we are unclothed that is because we
01:00:1701:00:17 - have died in our Spirits have left our physical bodies because bodies are the clothing analogy here so when we are
01:00:2301:00:23 - unclosed that is we have died physically we will not be found naked that is because God will clothe our Spirits with
01:00:3101:00:31 - some new body so you can see here in as much as we haven’t put off like our physical bodies we will not be found
01:00:3901:00:39 - naked and so the difference here in the Greek I’m going off memory it didn’t look like the link was working I maybe I
01:00:4501:00:45 - don’t have internet right now um is that um the Greek has prepositions n and x and so the question here in the prefix
01:00:5601:00:56 - is are we putting it on or taking it off you know and so that is the textual matter here um and so uh the alternative
01:01:0501:01:05 - and this is the way that other translations take it in fact most translations translate this way is
01:01:1001:01:10 - saying that when we are clothed so notice the difference clothed versus unclothed um we will not be found naked
01:01:1801:01:18 - and so what that means is well when we have a body we will end up not being naked that is not having being out of a
01:01:2501:01:25 - body and so you can kind of see that this second version one of the other things strengthening the the texture
01:01:3001:01:30 - argument against it is that it’s really tological it’s like super obvious and repetitive like if we’re clothed we’re
01:01:3701:01:37 - not naked well okay that’s great but you know like why would we need to say that versus the correct textural form and
01:01:4701:01:47 - again if you want to see all the details you can read this link but the correct textual form is saying something more
01:01:5301:01:53 - along the lines of when we become unclothed that is because we die we will be clothed by God that is God will give
01:02:0101:02:01 - us a new body to clothe us and so uh sorry that was a bit technical um I tried to keep some of the details out of
01:02:0801:02:08 - it but to put all that into pler English when you translate 2 Corinthians chapter 5:3 correctly it’s saying something more
01:02:1601:02:16 - like this that when we put off our present bodies when we die physically that is our spirits leave our physical
01:02:2201:02:22 - body we will not be found naked in the sense of being without a body for our human Spirit AO intern bodies like
01:02:3001:02:30 - that’s where we get the idea from in scripture so it’s not just this verse alone that this rests on although as I
01:02:3701:02:37 - say this is not understood a lot primarily because of the textual issue in this verse um so there’s also the
01:02:4301:02:43 - passage in Luke chapter 16 that we’ve been thinking about so if you wanted to say that human beings are somehow not
01:02:5001:02:50 - embodied in eternity or sorry not in eternity in the afterlife well what if about uh this Parable here in Luke
01:02:5701:02:57 - chapter 16 do disembodied Spirits have tongues that experience heat and so the rich man in this Parable asks Abraham to
01:03:0401:03:04 - let Lazarus dip his finger in water to cool off his tongue for he is in agony in this flame well how can someone who
01:03:1301:03:13 - doesn’t have a physical body have a tongue right and then moreover how could you even recognize Abraham and Lazarus
01:03:2001:03:20 - and the rich man if they were just disembodied Spirits in Hades what do spirits look like how do you tell one
01:03:2601:03:26 - from the other it just doesn’t seem like this Parable here um and I should be clear like I’ve talked about in previous
01:03:3401:03:34 - video that this is literal it’s not just like made up this is you know historical people who actually lived Abraham was a
01:03:4101:03:41 - real person Jesus doesn’t just make up stories using real people this is a description of something and so it is
01:03:5001:03:50 - actually describing how the afterlife Works how Abraham’s bosom works um and so for that reason how could these
01:03:5601:03:56 - people just be disembodied if they’re recognizable and they have physical attributes like tongues so that’s
01:04:0201:04:02 - indirect evidence too right and then you can also compare those verses that we read initially in Revelation chapter 6
01:04:0901:04:09 - and Revelation chapter 7 talking about the white robes that people in the third heaven are wearing so how can
01:04:1601:04:16 - disembodied Spirits wear white robes how does that work they have to have bodies but they can’t be Resurrection bodies
01:04:2401:04:24 - because this is early in Revelation the resurrection hasn’t happened yet so they can’t be the resurrection bodies that we
01:04:3001:04:30 - were talking about in First Corinthians 15 because that hasn’t happened yet so they’re not alive they’re not in the
01:04:3701:04:37 - world they don’t have their physical bodies but they don’t have Resurrection bodies but they have to have bodies
01:04:4101:04:41 - because they’re wearing robes Argo intern bodies so that’s where we’re getting it from in scripture now in
01:04:4801:04:48 - closing off this this introduction of this teaching I should be real clear that there’s a lot we don’t know here so
01:04:5501:04:55 - I’m just going to go ahead and quote something um from my mentor’s website he has a question and answer up on intern
01:05:0101:05:01 - bodies and so almost you know I’m just going to go ahead and read the quote off his site but this is describing these
01:05:0801:05:08 - things that we’re talking about these bodies that we have in between when we die physically and the resurrection the
01:05:1501:05:15 - bodies that we have in between intern bodies well we just don’t know a lot about them and so my mentor says this we
01:05:2101:05:21 - have very little to go on when it comes to the constitution of the intern body just the passages I cited previously so
01:05:2801:05:28 - that is 2 Corinthians 53 which has the textual issue we talked about uh and then the two passages from Revelation
01:05:3501:05:35 - talking about the white robes um so picking back up in his quote Revelation calls it a white sheet to wear second
01:05:4301:05:43 - Corinthians also uses the clothing analogy saying that we quote unquote won’t be found naked and in Luke 16 both
01:05:5101:05:51 - those in paradise and those in torments are recogniz can speak reason and seemingly function
01:05:5701:05:57 - in most important ways just as we presently can were I to speculate I would say that the materiality or
01:06:0301:06:03 - physicality of the intern body is less pronounced than the other two and so we know that we can eat in both the natural
01:06:1001:06:10 - and Revelation bodies um there’s a quotation from Luke chapter 24 here which is you know uh when Jesus appears
01:06:1801:06:18 - to them uh he ate this piece of broiled fish before them he was physical he ate the fish um so we can eat in both the
01:06:2601:06:26 - natural and Resurrection bodies but there is neither need nor probably opportunity to eat in the interim State
01:06:3301:06:33 - whether it be paradise of the past or the third heaven of the present and I would imagine that this is true of much
01:06:3901:06:39 - of the physical interaction which is commonplace now and will be again after the resurrection then again the rich man
01:06:4501:06:45 - asked Abraham to have Lazarus dip the tip of his finger in water to cool his tongue it doesn’t happen but it may be
01:06:5101:06:51 - that he was observing eating and drinking across Ross the great fixed Gulf of Luke 16: 26 I can’t say for sure
01:07:0001:07:00 - so again this is my mentor on the the concept of intern bodies and there’s just a lot that we don’t know for sure
01:07:0701:07:07 - um it is possible plausible even that maybe they aren’t quite as physical so to speak as the bodies we presently have
01:07:1601:07:16 - in the resurrection bodies but even that we really can’t say with certainty because we just don’t have a lot on this
01:07:2201:07:22 - from the Bible we know that are bodies because human beings have bodies because we are composed of body and spirit we
01:07:2901:07:29 - know that they can wear things because the people in the third heaven in Revelation 611 and 79 have white robes
01:07:3701:07:37 - that they wear and we know that 2 Corinthians 53 when you translate it using the correct text uh vises textual
01:07:4501:07:45 - criticism teaches that when we become unclothed because we die we will have we will not be found naked that is we will
01:07:5301:07:53 - have a body well all of these things teach it but we just don’t know very much past that um so we will be embodied
01:08:0101:08:01 - in the afterlife even before the resurrection but what exactly that means we just shouldn’t teach too much
01:08:0801:08:08 - dogmatically on it because we just don’t know from scripture and that’s kind of that’s kind of like the the point to end
01:08:1401:08:14 - on here in emphasis is just that we shouldn’t go past what the Bible teaches on this and um again it’s not as direct
01:08:2101:08:21 - a teaching some other things as you can see here just a few vers but the concept is clearly there by
01:08:2601:08:26 - inference that when we die we will still have bodies in the afterlife even before the rection even before the resurrection
01:08:3401:08:34 - they will just be intern bodies rather than Resurrection bodies all right so with that we are
01:08:4301:08:43 - finally ready to answer that question of what happens after physical death in the normal case so if you remember back uh
01:08:5101:08:51 - we said that we were going to try to answer you know like what happens when people die in the normal case before we
01:08:5801:08:58 - try to handle well what happens when people die right before they’re resuscitated like what’s the difference
01:09:0301:09:03 - there well before we’re going to get to that second case we need to talk about what is the normal State of Affairs for
01:09:0901:09:09 - people who aren’t resuscitated and so assuming we’re talking about a Believer here which you know Lazarus presumably
01:09:1401:09:14 - was and we don’t actually know so much about Gus’s daughter but probably so well before Christ’s Ascension they
01:09:2101:09:21 - would have ended up in Abraham’s bosom in Haiti or in the Paradise in Hades in an intern body and so this is before
01:09:2901:09:29 - Christ’s Ascension as described in Ephesians chapter 4 now after Christ’s Ascension they will end up in the third
01:09:3501:09:35 - heaven in an intern body still this is in the presence of God the father and so in both these cases this is after they
01:09:4201:09:42 - died physically but before the resurrection they end up in intern bodies it’s just a matter of where you
01:09:4801:09:48 - know before the cross uh before the Ascension of Christ the pre cross believers were in Abraham’s bosom and
01:09:5501:09:55 - after Christ’s Ascension now when people die they go immediately to the presence of the father in the third heaven but in
01:10:0101:10:01 - both cases they still have these temporary bodies that they’re in until the resurrection and then finally after
01:10:0701:10:07 - the resurrection each person shall possess a resurrection body just like Christ’s body after he was resurrected
01:10:1401:10:14 - that’s the Som numatic of 1 Corinthians 15 verse 44 this is the spiritual body that we will possess in eternity and so
01:10:2301:10:23 - this is is quote unquote what happens after you die um this is in all the details and hopefully now we know what
01:10:3001:10:30 - all of this means we know what we mean by before and after Christ’s Ascension we know what Abraham’s bosom is we know
01:10:3701:10:37 - what Hades is we know what an intern body is we know what the resurrection body is because we read that whole
01:10:4301:10:43 - passage in 1 Corinthians 15 all of this hopefully based on all of that background work we did even though it’s
01:10:5001:10:50 - just several sentences here you can see that this entire I’m quite sure we’re over an hour now this long video has
01:10:5601:10:56 - been going over all of the terms that we use here to talk about well what happens after we die so this is the normal case
01:11:0501:11:05 - this is what happens when a person who is a Believer dies physically and so finally we’re going to
01:11:1701:11:17 - get to the the point of this whole video was to answer the question about well what about those people who are
01:11:2401:11:24 - resuscitated is their afterlife experience any different and so put differently matters of the afterlife are
01:11:3101:11:31 - no different when it comes to people who are resuscitated except they go backwards from the intern body to the
01:11:3901:11:39 - physical world in addition to the normal forward version of that passage whereas others only ever make that transition in
01:11:4501:11:45 - the forward Direction alone that is most people when they die they go from this world to Hades and never back to the
01:11:5301:11:53 - world again so I’m going to go look at our picture since pictures are helpful um so most people when they die they
01:11:5801:11:58 - leave here they leave this Cosmos the devil’s world and they go here and then after well okay so this would be before
01:12:0701:12:07 - Christ Ascension they they would leave here go here after Christ Ascension they leave here they go here um but people
01:12:1301:12:13 - who are resuscitated um again before Christ Ascension they would go from here to
01:12:2001:12:20 - here they end up in Hades and then they’re resuscitated and they go back here so most people only go this
01:12:2501:12:25 - direction those people go from the cosmos to Hades back to the cosmos versus most people just go from the
01:12:3301:12:33 - cosmos to Hades and then that’s it they will not be resuscitated they will that’s where they will be until the
01:12:3901:12:39 - resurrection and so that’s the only difference here is that most people only go forwards but those who are
01:12:4601:12:46 - resuscitated go backwards too but they only do that once really because once they make that transition a second time
01:12:5301:12:53 - that is they die a second time after being resuscitated it’s really as if there were nothing irregular about their
01:12:5801:12:58 - afterlife experience at all so we’re going to use Gus’s daughter as an example here and so assuming for the
01:13:0401:13:04 - sake of argument that she meant the standards of belief necessary for salvation at the time of Matthew 9 uh
01:13:1001:13:10 - not going to get into that too much either but basically what we believe now after Jesus came and died and was
01:13:1501:13:15 - resurrected what we have to believe to be saved it’s not quite the same as what pre-c cross Believers did because there
01:13:2201:13:22 - wasn’t as much revelation at that point God’s like epistemological standards if you want to use jargon would be
01:13:2801:13:28 - different for people but let’s assume for the sake of this argument that you know gyrus was a leader of the Jews and
01:13:3401:13:34 - that he was teaching his family to believe and you know further that his daughter was actually past the age where
01:13:4001:13:40 - she had moral uh like accountability you know it’s not like a specific age for children depends on the person but like
01:13:4601:13:46 - let’s say she was old enough that that was true but that she did believe all that out of the way let’s say that gyrus
01:13:5101:13:51 - his daughter would be saved like that’s the short version here well then when she died she would have found herself in
01:13:5801:13:58 - Abraham’s bosom in an intern body until her human Spirit was called back to her physical fleshly body here in the world
01:14:0501:14:05 - at which point the intern body in Abraham’s bosom would have no longer been necessary but we don’t really know
01:14:1101:14:11 - what happens to it like did it get recycled so to speak or you know uh well we don’t know no idea again we just
01:14:1701:14:17 - don’t know very much about intern bodies but point is she died she went to Abraham’s bosom she was in an intern
01:14:2301:14:23 - body she gets called back when she’s resuscitated the intern body is no longer necessary and now her human
01:14:2901:14:29 - spirit is joined with her physical body in the world again but then after she lived out the remainder of her days she
01:14:3601:14:36 - would once again have died physically because that happens to everyone who’s resuscitated they don’t live forever
01:14:4201:14:42 - after they’re resuscitated they die again and so after all this she would have once again died physically and if
01:14:4901:14:49 - she was still a Believer at that point in time she would have again found herself in an intern body in the
01:14:5401:14:54 - afterlife although probably now in the third heaven since she probably would have died long after Jesus had ascended
01:15:0101:15:01 - because she was so young at the time of his ministry so Luke Chapter oh I forget Which chapter it is Luke chapter 12
01:15:0701:15:07 - maybe I I don’t remember exactly where this Parable is in Luke but Luke says she’s about 12 um when this happens and
01:15:1401:15:14 - so you know if she was 12 and Jesus does this early on in his ministry Jesus’s Ministry was three years long we don’t
01:15:2101:15:21 - know exactly the dates but plus or minus a couple years years here well Jesus would have probably been died and
01:15:2601:15:26 - resurrected and ascended before she was 15 for sure and so if this happened and she lived a you know a normal lifespan
01:15:3301:15:33 - you know for that time period maybe 50 60 um years then she probably would have died decades after Jesus’s Ascension and
01:15:4201:15:42 - so all that to say if she was still a Believer at that time because only Believers are saved then she would go to
01:15:4801:15:48 - the third heaven but in an intern body so Vis the initial question here the point is when people who are
01:15:5601:15:56 - resuscitated die they go to the same place that everyone else who dies normally does the only difference is
01:16:0201:16:02 - that they go backwards too at least once you know so they go from either Abraham’s bosom before the Ascension or
01:16:0901:16:09 - the third heaven after the Ascension back to their physical body they live out the rest of their days they die
01:16:1401:16:14 - again they go back into an intern body to wait for the resurrection just like the rest of us so that is how all this
01:16:2201:16:22 - works for those who are resuscitated and so I hope this video has been helpful I’m sure it has been quite a lot to take
01:16:2901:16:29 - in um but nonetheless now that we’ve been through all of this hopefully what we say here makes sense you know talking
01:16:3501:16:35 - about human spirits and intern bodies and Abraham’s busm and all that we’ve hopefully gone through enough that when
01:16:4301:16:43 - you have to explain this and think about it in your head all of what we have said here uh kind of comes together to give
01:16:5101:16:51 - us that full picture of what happens when people people die and the fact that those who are resuscitated they have
01:16:5701:16:57 - kind of this this strange transition when they go backwards from you know Hades or the third heaven back to the
01:17:0301:17:03 - cosmos and then they die again and then end up in an intern body a second time well hopefully all this kind of make
01:17:1001:17:10 - sense in context with everything that we’ve talked about here in this lesson all right finally to pull it all
01:17:1901:17:19 - together because this has been a long one just talking over the outline of what we’ve gone over so we introduced
01:17:2501:17:25 - that question of well does resuscitation mean that people’s afterlife experien is any different than people who aren’t
01:17:3201:17:32 - resuscitated that is kind of what we were setting out to answer here but before we could even get to that we had
01:17:3601:17:36 - to give an awful lot of background information we talked about the nature and composition of human beings how we
01:17:4301:17:43 - are dichotomous body and spirit we talked about the three types of death physical spiritual and eternal death and
01:17:5001:17:50 - how we are specifically focusing on physical death in these questions here we talked about how physical death means
01:17:5701:17:57 - someone’s human Spirit leaves their physical body um and so uh breath and spirit are the same words in Greek uh
01:18:0601:18:06 - and Hebrew so uh nephesh in Hebrew and R sorry no that’s that’s soul um ruach in Hebrew and Numa in Greek mean breath and
01:18:1901:18:19 - spirit and so we talked about how when people die they no longer breathe then that’s the association there we talked
01:18:2501:18:25 - about well what happens after people die well where do they go we had to explain Heavenly geography and the third heaven
01:18:3101:18:31 - and Satan’s Cosmos the world system we now inhabit and Hades or Shield or The Grave or the underworld which is where
01:18:3801:18:38 - all the other subdivisions are and then how those are separated by the waters above and the waters below like the sea
01:18:4401:18:44 - of glass mentioned in the Book of Revelation and so that’s Heavenly geography that’s where we go when we die
01:18:5101:18:51 - so to speak and then we we talk about how that’s actually different for believers before and after Christ’s
01:18:5601:18:56 - Ascension although in both cases unbelievers still go to torments to await the great white Throne Judgment at
01:19:0101:19:01 - which point they’ll end up in the Lake of Fire and then that’s eternity proper so in eternity proper uh Believers end
01:19:0801:19:08 - up uh having perfect fellowship with each other and God and elect angels in the new heavens and the new Earth oops
01:19:1501:19:15 - while unbelievers and Satan and the other Fallen Angels end up in the Lake of Fire and to close out our background
01:19:2201:19:22 - discussion we talked about intern bodies and so this idea that uh after we die physically we’re no longer in our
01:19:2801:19:28 - physical bodies here in the world but before we get the resurrection bodies of 1 Corinthians chapter 15 we are in what
01:19:3501:19:35 - we’re going to call intern bodies these temporary bodies that God gives us so that we will not be found naked as 2
01:19:4301:19:43 - Corinthians chapter 5:3 says if you translate it from the right text you you know do the textual criticism to get to
01:19:5201:19:52 - the right textu base and so then after all that we we said that well what happens after you die physically in the
01:19:5801:19:58 - normal case well for for normal folks they they go from the physical world either to Abraham’s bosom or the third
01:20:0501:20:05 - heaven uh depending on if uh Christ had ascended at this point like when they died and then the only difference in the
01:20:1201:20:12 - case of those people who are resuscitated is that they go backwards once they make that transition in the
01:20:1801:20:18 - reverse Direction until they die a second time in which case it’s permanent then it’s as if their experience is no
01:20:2501:20:25 - different than anyone else’s in the afterlife so I hope this was helpful an awful lot of information here but
01:20:3101:20:31 - hopefully this helps explain the afterlife and what we believe as Christians you know like what does the
01:20:3701:20:37 - bible teach about when we die where do we go what happens how are we what will we
01:20:4401:20:44 - experience when all of this happens and so long video here but good stuff talking about these tops topics of death
01:20:5301:20:53 - and resurrection and what we believe on these matters as Christians